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I guess I should have run one simple thread topic for one simple task. But, my trials and tribulations over this have been more interesting than I expected. To be honest, it IS (or SHOULD BE) a pretty simple conversion. It has been detailed eloquently elsewhere a number of times and I've leaned heavily on those previous efforts.

A couple of my minor snags are noted here: (namely the hydraulic lines and fittings)

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But today's snag really has me irritated. We've all heard the horror stories about Saber Cycle and their customer service - and sometimes "iffy" parts supplies. Well, I took a leap and ordered one of their clutch cover gaskets. I figured, how bad could it be? Well, it doesn't match the bolt pattern, that's how bad. It specifically said "1984" in the title. They sell the '85-'87 separately, so I figured they knew what they were talking about. They do not.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gasket-clutch-cover-Goldwing-GL1200-1984-/253166760373?hash=item3af1ea31b5:g:kREAAOSw9uFW9ziz&vxp=mtr

Stay tuned.

But, I have 304 stainless rod coming, banjo bolt in hand for the slave (that one drove me nuts), master cylinder and braided stainless top side hose, and of course the 1984 cover and slave cylinder are all waiting patiently for the complete inventory of necessary bits.

So, now I have no gasket. Yes I am irritated. Oh-so-close-but-still-no-can-do.

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Why did you order an 84 gasket? The cover is bolted on to a 1000. Use a 1000 gasket.

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It's an '84 cover. Same bolt hole alignment. Should have worked. Not even close.

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84 cover should have the same bolt pattern as the 83 1100.

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Yes the difference is 82-83 clutch cover operates like the 84 cover ...they also have same bolt line up as earlier wings ...the 82-83 covers that are cable will operate the 1200 clutch ...I've done this myself so I know it's a fact ....saber did send wrong gasket it seems..

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I have made several clutch cover gaskets using a sheet gasket material I bought at the local auto parts store and hole punches I bought at Harbor Frieght. The nice thing about the clutch cover, there isn't much pressure built up, so the gasket doesn't need to be very precise.

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I'll probably just do this, Brian, but it irritates the heck out of me. It seems that the stories about that vendor are correct. My very first experience with them is a negative.

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I feel like an idiot. I got this reply back from Saber this morning:

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You are mistaken. Our 82-440 matches the 11393-MG9-306 in exact size and cut and we can prove it. We have two 11393-MG9-306 here in our warehouse for quality control. Please see our attached photos of the OEM and our 82-440 laid on top and a shot to show the gaskets are stacked.

So, if our 82-440 doesn't match what you need then the OEM 11393-MG9-306 won't work for you either. Match sure you have first matched up the larger tabs. They are not all the same size.


So, I went back out and rotated, flipped, rotated some more and flipped again and HOLY SMOKES found that it actually does line up!

In my defense, what a PIA to get set. Gasket can only face one direction and getting the rotation then gets a lot easier. Saber sent a gasket that fits. I take back what I said.

Guess I can get on with the job now - except I'm headed over to the mountains of Western New Mexico on Thursday. A nice, Fall ride into the wilds. Not a bad reason for procrastination...

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The gasket is certainly a one position fit. Sabre may be right, but they could have chosen better words for their explanation. Maybe its just my biased opinion on the subject, but I read their response with a lot of attitude.

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Lol....I've been there ...give me something easy and I can't do it at all ...

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I think sabers response was okay. I’ve gotten MUCH more attitude from a few Ebay sellers.
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The answer is . . . about a half a quart.

What's the question?

The question is: "How much oil leaks out when you remove the clutch cover?"

:roll:

I knew there'd be some based on the lower level of the opening, but I underestimated a bit. No matter. I've started the conversion. I won't finish until next week since I'm doing a road trip to New Mexico to hit a few ghost towns in the mountains. I love fall road trips.

I'm pretty anxious to get this conversion finished, so I did the preliminary prep work. I may get a little more done tonight, but I'm in no real hurry.

(And yes, I need a final drive seal. I didn't realize it was that bad).
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I'm guessing that folks have forgotten about this "task" I undertook. Well, a ride to New Mexico got in the way and it took me a while to get all the parts and pieces in order (long story), but I finally had everything laid out - and was about to button things up and get 'er done...

...until I realized how tight things are back there trying to get the slave cylinder, actuator rod and cover in place with the frame cross member "thisclosetotheslave". I fussed with the danged thing for a long time one evening and gave up in disgust. WTF? So, I came back in and sheepishly PM'd a few gurus who've been down this path.

Here's what Old Fogey had to say when I asked him if I was stoopid or what:

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No, you are not stupid. I fitted it all up first time with the engine out. Then, just like you, I found, the only way to get the slave on or off is to drop the engine at the rear.
I have just had to pull the engine out of mine again and needed it off so that I didn't lose clutch fluid, so trust me, there is no other way. Sorry.


Well heck. I sure missed any reference to dropping the engine for this job. So, just as I'd resigned myself to doing just that, I took one last stab at it. I flattened the overflow hose stay, tacked the gasket in place and tweaked the acuator rod at an angle (hopefully the seal will seal now) and invented even more new four-letter words and it was in. Holy crap what a pain. Not interested in doing it again anytime soon - and the slave banjo bolt felt like it wanted to strip when I snugged it down, so I might "have" to!

I'm done for the evening, but the vacuum bleeder goes on in the morning and, hopefully, I'll be done.

Did I say this was a bit more of a pain than I anticipated? Dang.
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