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Bought bike last summer, mint condition 1987 gl1200 17k miles, w/ engine turning over but wouldnt start. Drained fuel from tank, carbs and lines but no fuel to carbs. This summer change pump and filter but now engine wont turn over, w/ car battery, just solinoid click and starter click and headlight dies as starter draws too much. Sprayed PB Blaster and tried rocking in 1st gear w/ plugs out. Disabled Vet finally free to wing off into sunset but in need of help. What am I missing please?

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It could be the starter solenoid failed (common) or the starter itself is failing (also common).

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The start button turns headlight off to put more power to starter.

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Thx all ! w/ plugs out am trying to applying jumper cables directly to starter terminal and housing, bypassing solinoid or bad connections. Good to know about headlight too. Such a complex bike electronically, afraid to do much.

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Connected negative jumper cable to starter housing and touched positive cable to starter terminal. Same clunk then whinning sound for a second. I guess bendix disengaging and spinning a little after release. About to try center stand and move rear wheel? Does the clutch relay effect starting when in neutral?
The PB Blaster I put in cylinders, foamed out plug hole in two, isnt much lube especially in the two w/ exhaust valves open. Anything else I should do before I try moving rear wheel?
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Could a valve be stuck open not allowing to turn over?

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Not a clue. How to tell or unstick? Thx

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When I press the starter button I hear the starter solinoid relay click, the headlight go off (until I release starter button) and I hear and can feel the starter engage w/ a dull clank. When I release starter button I hear faint spinning for just split second, assuming its the bendix retracting? Dosnt sound like malfunction and oil looks feels and smells new, clear amber. I could pull starter and using jumper cables, test off bike but it seems normal. When I used jumper cable to test on starter terminal the ark tried to weld to terminal, drawing more current as if there were a short or starter just couldnt turn, piston stuck.
For lack of anything better to try, Ive put bike on center stand and used a floor jack under the back tire, ( to the rear of the axle so its tryiny to turn wheel w/ in 1st gear. Letting weight of bike turn drive train attempting to free pistons. Didnt like the jerking bike back and forth in gear prescribed by others. Trying to ba as low impact as poossible. So often we do more harm than good in situations like theese. Hoping the solvent Ive sprayed into spark plug holes is enough to loosen and avoid anymore scaring than necessary. We'll see in morn if this rig w/ jack helps.
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I did try tapping on started while I pressed starter button a couple of days ago but will try again having tried to turn rear wheel w/ floor jack and sprayed more PB Blaster into chambers. Somethings got to give without too much force. It cranked fine last summer just wouldnt start without new pump, petcock, and carbs rebuilt.

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Are the timing belts in place/replaced recently?

Pull the starter out and try spinning it on battery, maybe the gears jammed up in it.

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Ok th ere are things you can do to figure w hats up ...if it was me I would take belt covers off ...this allows access to crank bolt and timing belts .you cold put bike in neutral and take one belt off and see if that head valves move some ...also check where pistons are at if real close to the top don't try to move valves much just check to see if it's free
..of so check other side
..I'm thinking you will find w hats going on at this point as said stuck valve somewhere .
My guess is you need to get heads off or valve covers and find what stuck
..cause the motor obviously got stuck while not running from your post I read and starter seems to be engaging just move slow and find the problem ...I'm doubting it in the lower end and trans but maybe ? Good luck

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Ok, thanks. Will pull belt covers and check for stuck valves. We have bore scope coming soon too. I guess also pull starter and bench test. Bike is all original, timing belts included. Thx, Tom

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If a valve is stuck open and the piston is hitting it, the engine should still turn in the opposite direction nearly one full rotation. Pull the valve covers first, this will tell you if a valve is stuck, and it's much easier than pulling the timing belt covers.

If a valve is in the open position, back off the adjuster to see if it closes, counting the turns so you can return it to its original setting.

Lastly, there is no bendix on the starter. It has an internal planetary reduction gear set, and uses a chain to turn a one-way clutch inside the alternator rotor.

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If a valve is stuck open and the piston is hitting it, the engine should still turn in the opposite direction nearly one full rotation. Pull the valve covers first, this will tell you if a valve is stuck, and it's much easier than pulling the timing belt covers.

If a valve is in the open position, back off the adjuster to see if it closes, counting the turns so you can return it to its original setting.

Lastly, there is no bendix on the starter. It has an internal planetary reduction gear set, and uses a chain to turn a one-way clutch inside the alternator rotor.

I was going to suggest looking at the rockers but is there a way to back off the adjusters on the 1200 hydraulic?

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Very cool Dan,
Havnt started the timing belt effort so I'll gladly pull valve covers first. We should know suppertime tomorrow. Would it hurt anything to try moving rear wheel in reverse a little to see if engine is free that way?
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If a valve is stuck open and the piston is hitting it, the engine should still turn in the opposite direction nearly one full rotation. Pull the valve covers first, this will tell you if a valve is stuck, and it's much easier than pulling the timing belt covers.

If a valve is in the open position, back off the adjuster to see if it closes, counting the turns so you can return it to its original setting.

Lastly, there is no bendix on the starter. It has an internal planetary reduction gear set, and uses a chain to turn a one-way clutch inside the alternator rotor.

I was going to suggest looking at the rockers but is there a way to back off the adjusters on the 1200 hydraulic?


Oops, I wasn't thinking about the 1200 hydraulic valve adjustments...

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