Neat video ...truth is obvious ..when it gets down to it a hack saw and file are the finest tools to use ..hrs a bit fast on the file ..every tool has its sweet spot speed that does the best job ..nothing like smart hands
Can GL cylinders be resleeved?
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I’d like to see the sleeves removed. I haven’t seen anyone do that on an oldwing yet.
Checked into vapour blasting here in Victoria. $250.00 for 5 pieces - 2 case halves, rear cover, clutch cover, water pp cover, and oil filter - forgot one piece when I emailed the guy. Have been using paint stripper and it will probably be good enough, but maybe since I'm only doing this once it may be worth it. Still thinking about it.
No sleeve coming out of a oldwing .mweld and recruit maybe...but I'd say no ..to much on floating sleeve system ...boring out to bigger piston seems only way to me..and custom pistons ....nothing easy here at all ....
Thankfully I've got another engine to try. There was a bloke over on goldwing docs that had done the sleeves.. He was 73 quite a few years ago so I'd suggest may possibly not be with this mortal coil any more. He was an engineer.[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=218502#p218502:19q4r6zs said:
Failing that I'm looking into bore welding for line boring. Another option... I've got a week to consider different ideas and options while I'm away at work...
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I know, being an economical Canadian (PC for cheap) do want to be frugal.
So.. My thoughts as an alternative to over boring and resleeving is this... Bore welding and then rebore the cylinder. I've attached a link to the process. I'm trying to find out if not only viable but if end result would be suitable as an engine bore...
https://youtu.be/CtKcxcDvapI
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Hopefully welding doesn’t generate too much heat as we have used welding to help shrink sleeves to make removal easy.[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=218521#p218521:wragim9o said:
Update on the vapor blasting. Interesting concept and product. Found out he lives and does this vapor blasting less than 3 Kms from where I live. Took the 6 main pieces in this afternoon, 3 day turn around. Had a good discussion with the owner. Mentioned that I would be painting the pieces. We had a discussion regarding this, and he mentioned that vapor blasting does not require you to paint afterwards. He recommended using a protectorant such as ACF-50. I researched ACF-50 and it is used in the air industry to prevent corrosion on fuselage and electrical/electronic components. It is getting quite the name in the motorcycle industry as well. I have used the Flitz Protectorant and think it is a similar and just as good product. After seeing the end result, I came home and found all the other little bits that can be done so that all the pieces match. Will deliver the additional pieces tomorrow after I give these pieces a good cleaning. If I do not have to paint any pieces, the cost for the vapor blasting becomes very reasonable considering the time, and cost to paint. After this work is completed will take the casings to the machine shop to have two bearings taken out and new ones installed. Here is a PDF file for info: View attachment ACF50 Motorcycles_Hints & Tips.pdf
Won't hijack your thread but you made me do this! :music: :music: Will put pictures on my thread: https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/ ... 24&t=14067 Will be interesting to compare end results.
Hmmmm neat
Cool... A friend of mine and myself are looking at Purchashing one of the vixen units. All the companies that do it here are only interested in the big industrial stuff. No one seems to want to do the stuff that we want done. Be around $20k Aussie money...[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=218543#p218543:1p809sev said:
I think there is a market for this. Buying a system - "Hahaa.... And so it begins..." couldn't help myself!! :music: :music:
Had a discussion with a dealer in the US a couple of years back and he mentioned that motorcyclists are very frugal, and don't want to spend more than they have to. Having mentioned this, we will try to duplicate what is being offered commercially with some home made remedy. Can't be done with vapor blasting. I took the rest of the pieces that I want done, including the heads that were refurbished, cleaned and painted last year. Price is going up, not too much though. We discussed this this morning and I told Mark, the owner, that I was committed and with this needed the work done and that I figured he would be fair on the price.
Mark mentioned that he uses ACF-50 as a protectorant. I took in my Flitz protectorant and it should do the same job.
Going to be a hard sell, but if you can get the word out and use the non-painting aspect as a plus for using vapor blasting, may change some mindsets. It has for me. Cleaning, prepping, priming, painting is time consuming and if a person does not have a good work space, the final finish may not be what is expected. The cost of paint supplies can be a lot as well depending on what you use. Vapor blasting to the rescue.
Won't be using this service for the 1500 engine rebuild as the engine is hidden from view.
Good luck on getting your new venture up and operating. Cheers
Had a discussion with a dealer in the US a couple of years back and he mentioned that motorcyclists are very frugal, and don't want to spend more than they have to. Having mentioned this, we will try to duplicate what is being offered commercially with some home made remedy. Can't be done with vapor blasting. I took the rest of the pieces that I want done, including the heads that were refurbished, cleaned and painted last year. Price is going up, not too much though. We discussed this this morning and I told Mark, the owner, that I was committed and with this needed the work done and that I figured he would be fair on the price.
Mark mentioned that he uses ACF-50 as a protectorant. I took in my Flitz protectorant and it should do the same job.
Going to be a hard sell, but if you can get the word out and use the non-painting aspect as a plus for using vapor blasting, may change some mindsets. It has for me. Cleaning, prepping, priming, painting is time consuming and if a person does not have a good work space, the final finish may not be what is expected. The cost of paint supplies can be a lot as well depending on what you use. Vapor blasting to the rescue.
Won't be using this service for the 1500 engine rebuild as the engine is hidden from view.
Good luck on getting your new venture up and operating. Cheers
Hey Ernest... The kbs coating diamond coat clear is also a great clear coat. Fuel and oils etc resistant. And gives a wet look finish.[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=218548#p218548:1dv88y8a said:
My mate is out of work and is looking at a dustless sandblasting business. I said he should look at vapour blasting as well. Now he's seriously looking into it.
Not so much myself as I'm in the mining industry here in Australia... This industry generally pays $130k plus... But you are away from home mostly 2 weeks out of 3.im on an 8/6 roster... 8 days away 6 home...
Had a look at the diamond coat. I wonder how this would do over the bare vapor blasted aluminum. Going to send the company an email and ask the question. Sorry about your mate being out of work. Have to be innovative nowadays and this could prove to be beneficial for him. Will let you know what I find out. Cheers
Had a visit to highly recommended motorcycle machinist today.. Ray Easson engineering. If he can't come up with a solution it's not worth it or not doable. He's been about for years.
https://m.facebook.com/rayeassonsmotorcycleengineering/
He's goin to measure up and see what he can do.
How many time oversize can they be bored guys. And also depends on availability I guess. Are the oversize's measured in 0.25 amounts?
Ray reckons he can resleeve it but not in a normal method.
I shall wait to see...
https://m.facebook.com/rayeassonsmotorcycleengineering/
He's goin to measure up and see what he can do.
How many time oversize can they be bored guys. And also depends on availability I guess. Are the oversize's measured in 0.25 amounts?
Ray reckons he can resleeve it but not in a normal method.
I shall wait to see...
More good information. Thanks for posting. 
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Looking into CERAKOTE for the engine. Supposed to be extremely good, one time application. Casings are being done now, and pick everything up on Wednesday. Between the two of us we may get an operational engine using modern applications! :hihihi: Great learning experience. :music: Cheers
opcorn: Looking into CERAKOTE for the engine. Supposed to be extremely good, one time application. Casings are being done now, and pick everything up on Wednesday. Between the two of us we may get an operational engine using modern applications! :hihihi: Great learning experience. :music: Cheers
