Lets do some Honda lock exploring.

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Browsing around on the local Facebook marketplace, I found a person selling a full Hondaline rack and luggage. Picked it up today.

But it appears to be a bit of a Frankenstein with keys - the top box isn't keyed the same as the sides. One of the rack locks is also missing a cylinder.

Time to investigate! First thing is that the keys seem to be similar to my ignition key - a bit shorter, but my ignition key does fit the lock. This shows promise.

Since this is going to be a picture-heavy post, I'll divide it into two parts for now - the first is getting access to the lock cylinders.

Lets take a look at a luggage lock. Oh look, there's a C-clip!

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Pop that off, then the piece underneath, and the lock falls out of the cylinder. Nice! Making progress. Inserting the key the lock is made for shows that it moves the wafers down and out of position, allowing the cylinder to turn.

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Inserting my ignition key shows why it doesn't work:

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So time to do some more investigation. Pulled out one of the wafers, which looks like this:

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So I played around with the wafers some, and I could get two wafers in a position where my ignition key would work. Not more than that. I think I want something better. But if I'm going to rekey these, I want the locks on the rack and the luggage locks to match.

Time to see if I can access the luggage lock mechanism! With the luggage removed, there's two screws that are accessible. Note: A spring in the locking mechanism pushes the lock apart once both screws are removed - be prepared!

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Removal shows the retaining mechanism - note the spring pushing it apart:

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With it removed from the rack, the locking part kinda just falls outs:

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Now the pin is a press fit. I was a little hesitant to remove it from the working rack lock I had, but I did have the broken rack lock as well. Let me take a closer look at that one and compare it to the good lock:

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Well, I think I can see why the lock cylinder was removed - the plastic centering piece is broken - the lock probably jammed at one time. I'm going to assume the plastic is fragile, and I will just take apart the broken locking mechanism to prove I can.

A pair of pliers will remove the retaining pin:

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Presumably if this one had a lock cylinder, the lock cylinder would fall out at this point.
 

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So next part - finding the wafers. No sense in doing the disassembly until I can rekey these.

Lets think - top box has three locks keyed alike (two on the box, one on the rack) - that's key #1. Side bags are keyed alike as well, with two locks keyed alike on each bag, and one for the rack lock, so six locks total that uses key #2. And the Goldwing itself has three locks keyed alike (ignition, glovebox, and helmet).

I'm going to have to rekey at least six locks. I'm thinking I'll keep the original keys and just rekey 9 locks.

I also need to find a replacement lock cylinder and locking mechanism for the broken locking mechanism on the rack. (Hey, any of you have a Hondaline rack lock you are trying to get rid of? If not, I need to visit the motorcycle junk yard.)

Some googling turned up this promising PDF. Too bad it seems to refer to an out-of-date keying kit no longer made.

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But that still provides some clues. I'm not going to guess on the east Asian conglomerates, but I'm pretty sure Chrysler never made a motorcycle, nor did GM. (Kia apparently did until 1962!) If these were used in GM vehicles

So here's where I'm at now. Trying to find these stupid things. Lets see - five wafers per lock, nine locks total, so I'm going to need a good supply.

Or else I need to contact a local locksmith and see what they can do, but I'm guessing that's spendier than I would like.

Edit: I'm now thinking it's the A-19-101 kit that's needed. See my post later in the thread.
 
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I have a used Hondaline rack lock with a key (515) left over in my parts bin. $10 plus shipping?
 

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FYI, I re-keyed all of my locks to a single key by pulling all of the wafers and resetting them to the one key. I needed one more wafer and discovered that if you leave a wafer out of the end (tip) you can get away with fewer wafers. You only need enough wafers to make the lock turn.
 

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I have a used Hondaline rack lock with a key (515) left over in my parts bin. $10 plus shipping?
Sure. PM sent.
FYI, I re-keyed all of my locks to a single key by pulling all of the wafers and resetting them to the one key. I needed one more wafer and discovered that if you leave a wafer out of the end (tip) you can get away with fewer wafers. You only need enough wafers to make the lock turn.
I was looking at that last night, and I think the wafers for the side bags are going to be completely unusable since the key is very different.

I could file them down to fit - it would mean a lot of keys would open the lock, which isn't a huge concern, but that's still plan B at this point.

I didn't get around to calling a locksmith today. There's an ebay listing I'm looking at for lock wafers that specifically states it isn't for ignition locks, but dang the wafers look close. I may do some more measuring and then take a gamble on that.
 
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I thought about doing this re-key job on my '81 as well, but the lock & blank used for the removable bags is so different from the bike key,
I came to the same conclusion and left my bag locks the way they came, also. Unfortunately, I only have the 1 original bag key, and have not been able to find a matching one online anywhere.
My Silverwing Interstate, on the other hand, had all the locks the same from the factory, so re-keying a spare lock from a parts bike isn't too difficult.
 

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So here's where I'm at. Information on rekeying 40 year old motorcycles isn't easy to find.

However, I'm finding a lot of information that states Honda uses a 3-wafer system in other bikes at that time. Honda used to sell a rekeying kit for around $20 to rekey a lock. Which, even if they still do (I didn't check) gets expensive fast.

Before I pulled the trigger, I wanted to be more confident in what was needed. So what's the most bog-standard, boring lock on a Goldwing that's probably similar to locks used on the Hondaline bags? My guess is the glovebox lock. I looked up the part number, and found that it was used on Hondas for over a decade.

Including the 1990 Goldwing. Which the National Locksmith covered in it's April 2000 issue. Beautiful article btw, if you have a GL1500 and need to remove a lock.

But the part I found fascinating was:

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(Btw, notice the error? That's a 32311 lock code, not a 32331 lock code.)

That cylinder wafer configuration, plus the wafers, looks similar to what I have:



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So guys, I'm going for it.

I found what appears to be a legitimate business that sells the A-19-101 kit. I'm going to see if will sell it to me - they may not, since I had to put down my occupation, and I put down 'other' and 'classic motorcycle owner' for the explanation. The system did take my order.

Cross your fingers.
 
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