I find it very rewarding lately with the success dan is having with his bike ...in the way I hope some others feel who have helped me accomplish the things I have ..in my case I can tell you many times the members here have move my direction in one sentence that just makes things clear as can be ... this type of forum that produces this we can never allow tarnished by people who don't fit this proven method of collaboration ... this forum seems to be self weeding of the unworkable kind that cant exist here ....