84 goldwing interstate 1200 start issues

[dan filipi]

Ok, if you turn the chain in the opposite direction the starter is turning it, does the clutch engage? In one direction of the chain the clutch should engage, the other direction is should turn free. You'll need the starter removed to check this.

 

[Macc304]

The chain turns just how it should both on and off the starter. Which is counterclockwise. It does not turn clockwise. The problem is when it does turn counterclockwise the starter cluch does not move. However if i turn it by hand both the chain and starter clutch move.

 

[dan filipi]

Macc304 » 3 minutes ago[/url]":11wo06jx]
The chain turns just how it should both on and off the starter. Which is counterclockwise. It does not turn clockwise. The problem is when it does turn counterclockwise the starter cluch does not move. However if i turn it by hand both the chain and starter clutch move.

Sound to me then the starter is turning the wrong direction. It should be turning clockwise so the clutch will engage and turn the motor.

 

[slabghost]

I still haven't read a single post that the crank has moved by hand or otherwise. If the motor is seized the start clutch is really a non issue.

 

[backlander]

Post # 44 V. I was thinking seized engine also but thought I remembered the timing issues that were happening.

 

[slabghost]

Okay I sit here corrected. Still if the chain is moving easily (by hand or with the starter) and it won't move the other way by hand. Starter is backwards.

 

[Macc304]

Heres a video of my issue as of now.


[video]https://youtu.be/dlsYPBRmIzw[/video]

 

[dan filipi]

Macc304 » 9 minutes ago[/url]":2li55q49]
Heres a video of my issue as of now.


https://youtu.be/dlsYPBRmIzw

Starting motor is turning the wrong direction.

 

[Macc304]

If it turns the other way the chain dont move.

 

[dan filipi]

Macc304 » 3 minutes ago[/url]":3bi1v1bo]
If it turns the other way the chain dont move.

When you put power to the starter, looking at it from the rear as you were in the video, the starting motor needs to spin the chain clockwise.

I found interesting that you could turn the starter with your fingers. Usually the starter turns way too hard to do that but that might not be relevant here.

 

[dan filipi]

Disregard what the chain does when turning engine by the stator nut, that has no relavence here.

 

[backlander]

If you remember you could not get the starter to work so you reversed the direction of the starter. I think where the confusion is coming is you were also having timing issues which apparently had bound the engine up, remember you could not get the engine to turn over by hand. Now that the timing issues are corrected you probably need to put the starter back to its original direction.

 

[Macc304]

Ok. So if i got the timing set and i can turn the crank but the chain wont move the starter clutch even with the starter goin the right other way what is that issue? It cant be because im not getting enough juice because ive hooked it to a battery charger/starter and the battery in my blazer.

 

[slabghost]

Weak starter possibly.

 

[Tom_Charlton]

GL1200s are a negative ground system. Watching the video, it looks like you are connecting the positive wire to the frame of the starter and the negative to the starter post. Am I wrong?

 

[backlander]

According to the Honda Service Manual, there are only four things that will cause the starter to turn and the motor to not turn, assuming that the starter motor itself is good and has proper grounding and voltage. Those four things are the starter gears, chain, sprockets and the starter clutch. It's a process of elimination at this point. In the video I observed the starter turning, the chain turning, that leaves the starter clutch and the sprocket behind the rotor. Boxer four engines turn in a clock wise direction looking at the front of the engine so when you reassemble the rotor area be sure you retorque the bolts as they have been known to back out and cause problems.

 

[Rednaxs60]

I had a new starter for my '85 LTD fixed under warranty and was told that there was no way you would be able to turn the starter by hand and I could not. I rebuilt the original starter myself (new brushes) and I could not turn it by hand once together. I have to say that if you can turn your starter by hand, there is something not right.

There is a locating pin in the end of the starter that must be there. Don't know if yours has one. Here is a picture of mine:

Good luck.

 

[oldwing]

I'm going way back to the beginning.. you mentioned you got the starter on ebay, it is for this bike BUT only one bolt lines up ?? I would make Damn sure I have the right starter.. I'm about to start on a gl1200 that has been sitting for many years, I pray I dont have the problems you are having, Hang in there, the guys on here will get you through it.

 

[backlander]

It's always best to rebuild the starter that came with the engine, imho, there have been numerous problems associated with ebay starters, notably those from China. Take into account also that a lot of ebay sellers don't know shit from shinola about what there parts fit.

 

[Rednaxs60]

backlander » 2 minutes ago[/url]":527d9nt9]
According to the Honda Service Manual, there are only four things that will cause the starter to turn and the motor to not turn, assuming that the starter motor itself is good and has proper grounding and voltage. Those four things are the starter gears, chain, sprockets and the starter clutch. It's a process of elimination at this point. In the video I observed the starter turning, the chain turning, that leaves the starter clutch and the sprocket behind the rotor. Boxer four engines turn in a clock wise direction so when you reassemble the rotor area be sure you retorque the bolts as they have been known to back out and cause problems.

The starter is turning CCW but must turn CW. Is it possible that the brush plate inside the stater is oriented improperly. The other thought I have is that the positive and negative connections inside the starter are reversed - only way I can think of the starter turning the wrong way.

Looked on the internet for some possible solutions or why the starter is turning the way it is. On Sparks and Arcs web site - https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78928 - it mentions that you can reverse the direction of a DC motor by switching the brush connections. Since there is only two inside these starters, it could be that the brushes were hooked up incorrectly at the factory. The new starter I had fixed under warranty last year had the brush wires routed incorrectly causing the brush to hang up and not contact the armature. Small issue but ruined a weekend getaway.

However you slice it, the starter should turn the engine CW.

Good luck.