The Wanderer - Part 2

[made2care]

joedrum » 21 minutes ago[/url]":3l89dr5u]
stock carbs or SCC :Awe: :beg: :cheeky: :crying: :beer: :mrgreen:

I would be all in for a SCC but I wouldn't even know where to begin :fiddle:

 

[slabghost]

Go to the section and read.

 

[made2care]

Decision time !! Too many variables but have to decide.
You read and read and read and at the end of it all , I want to decide but then ..............

I'm at the fork in the road:

From what I am reading the gas in the Phlenum could be many things. Since I did not split the phlenum, should I spend $200 on Randakks kit that is currently sold out? Read some accounts of a total stock carb rebuild and the bike runs amazing and on the flip side, some have completed a total rebuild and bike STILL runs very poorly.
Could it be a compression issue? Bent valve maybe? and so on.........
Could it be idle/mix screw issue? or something as ridiculous as a faulty gas cap!

or the other fork

Possibility of going SCC. One can build their own manifold or buy one for around $300 and up. Then you have to decide what carb to go with.

Two previous bikes, gl1200 and gl1100 never had fuel in phlenum. The 1200 carb was rebuilt by Mike Nixon, no issues.
The 1100 was cleaned by me, no issues but bike ran rough at low idle.

I am at the fork in the road.....................

 

[Omega Man]

SCC, you can do IT!

~O~

 

[rob.lafady]

The only thing with scc is making sure you dial in the jetting, Pistol Pete also offers rebuild kits now using only quality parts.

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[made2care]

Found a cracked ignition coil and after putting in all new spark plugs they are now all black, dry soot.
I obviously have a rich issue, however, can a bad coil cause issues relative to my symptoms?

 

[dan filipi]

Why don't you first determine where the gas is coming from before jumping all around at other things.

Too high float or float valve leaking can make gas appear in the plenum also. And sooty plugs.

 

[Denver]

Why don't you first determine where the gas is coming from before jumping all around at other things.
Too high float or float valve leaking can make gas appear in the plenum also. And sooty plugs.

Try what Dan said :good:

If carb's are unmolested when you get them, I've been lucky getting them back in good running condition. :yes:

 

[joedrum]

LOL hard to find an unmolested oldwing .....the passages in stock carbs are small and there are several 90 degree turns and many small holes that are not jets but outlets .....

WOW.... randakks out of rebuild kits ....first ive heard of that ..truth is stock or SCC is no easy task ...but there is no doubt in my mind what is better ....its impossible for cv type carbs to be as good as strait carbs that just need air flow to work..... have many less parts and dependent on nothing else to produce gas charge ....but as stated dial in is a lost art it seems ...im very glad i got the artwork down on hooch ....what performance upgrade the hooch bike is in total many things done besides SCC...

cracked coils ..almost a oldwing for sure now days ..can cause many problems ..ive seen one destroy a motor ....when moisture is in the mix ..it can be bad running for sure ...black plugs could happen ...but there is gas in the plenum so im thinking there is carb trouble for sure also ....

there is rehab and there is make it better than it ever was ...two different things really opcorn:

 

[slabghost]

Read this thread. viewtopic.php?f=107&t=8452

 

[made2care]

dan filipi » Today, 10:50 am[/url]":3u8jg9tx]
Why don't you first determine where the gas is coming from before jumping all around at other things.

Too high float or float valve leaking can make gas appear in the plenum also. And sooty plugs.

The float height should be good. I found another thread on NGW similar to my problem. i can see the gas rising up through the plenum. He replaced the plenum seal and all was good.

 

[dan filipi]

made2care » 5 minutes ago[/url]":1ba6flau]

dan filipi » Today, 10:50 am[/url]":1ba6flau]
Why don't you first determine where the gas is coming from before jumping all around at other things.

Too high float or float valve leaking can make gas appear in the plenum also. And sooty plugs.

The float height should be good. I found another thread on NGW similar to my problem. i can see the gas rising up through the plenum. He replaced the plenum seal and all was good.

A float valve leaking causing the bowl to over fill will do the same thing. Just trying to save you some money.

 

[made2care]

dan filipi » January 8th, 2017, 4:17 pm[/url]":2ladrlqg]

made2care » 5 minutes ago[/url]":2ladrlqg]

dan filipi » Today, 10:50 am[/url]":2ladrlqg]
Why don't you first determine where the gas is coming from before jumping all around at other things.

Too high float or float valve leaking can make gas appear in the plenum also. And sooty plugs.

The float height should be good. I found another thread on NGW similar to my problem. i can see the gas rising up through the plenum. He replaced the plenum seal and all was good.

A float valve leaking causing the bowl to over fill will do the same thing. Just trying to save you some money.

I understand. Much appreciated. I'm going to check that. Those crush washers might need replaced too.

 

[slabghost]

Polishing the needle tips and seats can get them sealing again.

 

[jpwinger]

Some time's if PO replaced float needles with after market needles the height of the spring loaded pin on float needle can change the setting. You can use a test tank elevated above carb rack to look for leaks check with carb rack right side up with bowls on and then with bowl's off check with rack up side down. Let cab's set a while each way. This may show where leak is. Jerry

 

[mcgovern61]

rob.lafady » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:20 am[/url]":166nct04]
The only thing with scc is making sure you dial in the jetting, Pistol Pete also offers rebuild kits now using only quality parts.

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Pete will have 1100 kits available starting around March. He is planning a kit that will run about $45 plus shipping (not a final quote yet). The kit will be for the main carb rubber seals, but it does not include a plenum gasket.

 

[made2care]

mcgovern61 » 54 minutes ago[/url]":3s83o0sd]

rob.lafady » Sun Jan 08, 2017 10:20 am[/url]":3s83o0sd]
The only thing with scc is making sure you dial in the jetting, Pistol Pete also offers rebuild kits now using only quality parts.

Sent from my HTC One M9 using Tapatalk

Pete will have 1100 kits available starting around March. He is planning a kit that will run about $45 plus shipping (not a final quote yet). The kit will be for the main carb rubber seals, but it does not include a plenum gasket.

I ordered 2 mm viton cord from o rings.com for the plenum in case i need it. I checked the 15.5mm on floats and all was good. i thoroughly cleaned everything too .

I'm going to try the leak test mentioned above to see whats going on. prefer to keep stock carbs.

 

[jpwinger]

cycle recycle on 10th st in Indy In. has some of the o-ring's by the each. Good place to check. They have on line sales too. I buy and just (stock) some of the common ones. With 3 wing's I save money by just having them on hand. My wing's set a lot and that is hard on the carb's. Seems one always need's a little attention. Jerry

 

[made2care]

jpwinger » Today, 1:01 am[/url]":2012i3my]
cycle recycle on 10th st in Indy In. has some of the o-ring's by the each. Good place to check. They have on line sales too. I buy and just (stock) some of the common ones. With 3 wing's I save money by just having them on hand. My wing's set a lot and that is hard on the carb's. Seems one always need's a little attention. Jerry

Wow. Great site. thank you !

 

[canuckxxxx]

jpwinger » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:15 am[/url]":1158tglu]
Some time's if PO replaced float needles with after market needles the height of the spring loaded pin on float needle can change the setting. You can use a test tank elevated above carb rack to look for leaks check with carb rack right side up with bowls on and then with bowl's off check with rack up side down. Let cab's set a while each way. This may show where leak is. Jerry

I agree. You have to get to the bottom of where that fuel is coming from. I think you have to take the carbs out and do as jpwinger has suggested. Also there is a fitting that you can get that screws into the float bowl drain that allows you to have a clear tube that lets you see the actual level. I found, from working on an old GS Suzuki that the floats can be set correctly but the fuel level can be way off.