Oiling system on GL1100

[Dave_J]

Hi ya all, been a while. Last time I was on was before my last crash back on April 17, 2015. Anyway....

I still have my 1980 GL1100i but she had been in my shed since I crashed her Oct 09. I am needing to do something with it.

I have researched building a Reverse Trike frame and use the engine. But I also am thinking about putting a sprocket on the driveshaft and chain drive it with a high output DC motor and batteries. A Hybrid of sorts. What I am needing an answer to is on the oiling system of the 1100 engine at the driveshaft areas. Can a 1100 be flat towed with the engine off? If I am running the electric motor 85% of the time it would be best to kick the 1100 into netrual and shut it down. So is it pressure lubed or splash? The plan is to charge the batteries at home and that would give me about a 150 mile range and then fire the 1100 up to go farther if needed. I would hang a 120 amp alternator on the front to charge the batteries while driving in a pinch. Plugged in at home it costs about $1.30 to charge the batteries enough to go 150 miles. That would take 4.75 Gallons @ $12.80 on Gas engine alone. I very rarely go more than 125 miles in a day but I do like to do a longer tour at times.

The trike will be front wheel drive using a Subaru rear diff flipped upside down and driven by the 1100 facing backwards with the driveshaft going forward. The rear swingarm would not be powered. The Goldwing and electric motor together would give me almost 150 Horsepower @ 144 Volts AC and weighs about 1400 pounds with all batteries and controllers. Batteries are 144 Volts at 200 Ah and 700 pounds just by them self. Fully charged the batteries are rated to go 162 miles @ 80% discharge.

The 1100 will be Single Weber carbed and C5 ignition, Stator and voltage regulator removed and replaced by the alternator.

 

[Steve83]

The output shaft and gears are splash oiled. The only pressure-oiled parts are the main and rod bearings, and the valve trains. With the drive/output shaft turning, most of the transmission gears will also turn, which should give plenty of splash oil.

 

[joedrum]

hmmmm this is a nice project ....i agree with whar steve said on how it all works ....the rear stator gets oil pressure to it too ...when motor is running ....a hybird wing reverse trike neat ...

 

[Dave_J]

Thanks. I do not know if I can do it or not yet but I am thinking real hard on it. It would cost me $4000 just for all the electrical parts.

This link below is from 2009 on another forum. About 300MPGe. Its a GL1100 engine used to run JUST a generator that charges the batteries when you run out of range. It recharges the batteries at the same time it powers the electric motors in about 1 hour and then the gas engine is shut off. Lots of money spent on that baby, I do not have that much time or cash. https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.p ... post174085

 

[Steve83]

joedrum » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:46 am[/url]":3n6bmrup]
hmmmm this is a nice project ....i agree with whar steve said on how it all works ....the rear stator gets oil pressure to it too ...when motor is running ....a hybird wing reverse trike neat ...

The 1100 stator is splash oiled. On the 1200, external oil lines were added on top of the case to pressure-oil the stator and left valve train.

 

[Dave_J]

Steve83 » Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:00 pm[/url]":1jogvoz7]

joedrum » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:46 am[/url]":1jogvoz7]
hmmmm this is a nice project ....i agree with whar Steve said on how it all works ....the rear stator gets oil pressure to it too ...when motor is running ....a hybird wing reverse trike neat ...

The 1100 stator is splash oiled. On the 1200, external oil lines were added on top of the case to pressure-oil the stator and left valve train.

Thanks Steve, that makes it even simpler.

In the above post I said it would cost $4000 for the electrical, UH NOPE. I forgot a few things. Motor is about $1000, Controller is $550, Chevy Volt Batteries with Battery Maintenance System are $4100, 30 AMP 120/220V charger with a EV charging station plug is about $1100. Add in cables and such it is about $7000.

Making an Electric Vehcile is not cheap up front. But the batteries will last about 2000 charge cycles and give a range of 160 miles, 320,000 miles. It costs between $0.08 to $0.10 per Kilowatt and each charge is 19 Kw for $1.50 to $1.90 to charge it to go 160 miles. At most to go 320,000 miles it would run $3800 in electricity or $27,000 @ $2.699 a gallon at 32 MPG for just the Goldwing engine.

A 120 Amp 12 volt alternator will charge the batteries in about 2 hours. So I could drive on the charged batteries for 160 miles, start the 1100 up and drive 120 miles @ 60 MPH (3200 RPM) and then another 160 miles to stop at a campground that has an EV charger or a 120 volt plug. Thats 440 miles per day. $10 in gas and $1.90 for my first charge, the charging at the camp would be in the Hook Up fee. This is close to 100 MPGe using both fuels or IF didn't use the gas engine, 170 MPGe. I base this off of a 60 HP electric motor, but a 45 horse would do about the same except in the mountains.

 

[backlander]

I'm curious as to the gross weight with driver aboard. Any idea ?

 

[Dave_J]

Frame is only about 250 pounds using 0.06" wall 1.5 inch DOM steel tubing in most places, Modified Corvette C4 frontend and Fiberglass, resin over foam panels. I am just under 200 pounds. Gas tank full is about 50 pounds. GL1100 engine is about 200 pounds. Batteries are under 500 pounds. Electric motor, controller, BMS and charger is about 85 pounds. Wheels and tires are about 150 pounds.

Quick guess is 1400 pounds.

I am also guessing I can build this for under $10,000 and it payback would be about 1.2 years of joyriding.

I do not commute any longer but a EV trike without the heavy 1100cc engine and more batteries would get a person a 85 mile round trip on $1.20 a day and in some states no Road tax on the fuel.

 

[slabghost]

So about a ton ready to ride? Good thing it's a trike.

 

[Dave_J]

slabghost » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:59 pm[/url]":wzhzz9a4]
So about a ton ready to ride? Good thing it's a trike.

Well 1400 pounds is about 0.7 ton. A stripped down 502 Boss Hoss weighs about 1300 to 1600 pounds on two wheels. A fully dressed GL1800 with added farkels is over 1000 pounds.

Heck, my 2008 Suzuki Burgman 650 scooter is 625 pounds and then I add my 220 Lbs in ATGATT, electric gear, heated grips, larger windscreen, CD changer and speakers, Bar Snake handle bar weights, LED fog lights, Givi top box and hard side bags, over 900 pounds with a full tank of gas. If I hitch up the UNIGO trailer its an added 70 pound empty and 180 full. Its still a SCOOTER. arty:

 

[backlander]

Not as heavy as I thought it would be, I know those batteries are heavy is the reason I ask.

 

[slabghost]

Dave_J » Thu Nov 17, 2016 8:11 pm[/url]":14y6il7y]

slabghost » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:59 pm[/url]":14y6il7y]
So about a ton ready to ride? Good thing it's a trike.

Well 1400 pounds is about 0.7 ton. A stripped down 502 Boss Hoss weighs about 1300 to 1600 pounds on two wheels. A fully dressed GL1800 with added farkels is over 1000 pounds.

Heck, my 2008 Suzuki Burgman 650 scooter is 625 pounds and then I add my 220 Lbs in ATGATT, electric gear, heated grips, larger windscreen, CD changer and speakers, Bar Snake handle bar weights, LED fog lights, Givi top box and hard side bags, over 900 pounds with a full tank of gas. If I hitch up the UNIGO trailer its an added 70 pound empty and 180 full. Its still a SCOOTER. arty:

I figured tires and wheels would add some weight as they weren't mentioned.

 

[ekvh]

There is a post at Saunders for guys who use a bumper hitch to pull their 1500's around. Some have a few thousand miles on them. None reported failings, but that doesn't mean they haven't. The "experts" claimed they were not going to last. I do not make any claim. I would make certain the 40 tooth gear does partially rest in the oil. That would probably take care of lubricating the gear on the output shaft. Next question is how will the bearing in the rear case is lubricated, or if it's needed. I can't tell from pics how oil is supplied but I suspect a lot is from the primary chain. That won't be turning. Probably someone here has had a case split or maybe does now who could look at this. It would be a shame to do all the work to have it fail.

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[Dave_J]

I figured tires and wheels would add some weight as they weren't mentioned.

I plan on 235/65 HR 18's X 3 and that is about 150 pounds. They are wider than I wanted but they are 30.25 inches tall and the helps with the Subaru's low gearing. The Subaru rear end is 3.9:1 and flipped over. I will have to figure a way to make sure that the pinion and ring gear are lubed.

 

[Dave_J]

I think I will do the GAS powered Reverse Trike using the Goldwing 1100 engine and add the electric system later.

I found a better front suspension that will allow me to run halfshafts up front, and the costs are real cheap in Pick-A Parts. 1999 Dodge Stratus has unequal length control arms and a bolt on strut with a wishbone lower attachment that the halftshafts go thru.

Another question, the later years 1100 and 1200's had a better lower first gear and a higher 5th along with different transfer gears. So can these be swapped into my 1980's case? Mostly wanting the higher geared Transfer gear and higher 5th, do not need a lower first.

Like I said the trike will run a Subaru VLSD rearend UP FRONT driving both front wheels, just flipped upside down so I will have 5 speeds forward but with the 3.90:1 I will have to run a BIG tall tire to get the gear ratio closer to my 80's 3.091:1.

 

[joedrum]

the 83 gearing is the tallest 82 is next and would have to include the secondary primary reduction unit too along with the trans gears ...im thinking

 

[ekvh]

Sounds like fun. Hope you can post how it evolves.