Tempting Nology coil boosters

[zman]

I had a 1100F awhile back and while cleaning it up I found these Nology coil boosters mounted under the seat.
It already had Dyna green coils in it and wasn't planning on any moon shots so I pulled them out and shelved them.
Now they sit staring at me and my Goldwing(I think they are winking).. What do you guys think? Anyone ever use this type of product? Pros/cons. I just want something to work and don't want to compromise my ignition system but these seem relatively harmless and just wire up to the pos and neg terminals of the coils.
It seems all they really are is an auxiliary storage for the coils allowing additional energy to be stored, of course their website says they are the bees knees but what else would they say.
https://www.nology.com/power.html

 

[slabghost]

You got'em give'm a shot.

 

[joedrum]

they seem to be the right omes to try looking at the info ,,,,be neat if this makes a good add on :mrgreen:

 

[dan filipi]

It hooks up to the coil primary using the existing power feed.

Hmm, that concerns me because I don't know how much additional load is placed on the primary, meaning the ignitors mostly.

I haven't read through everything about it but how does it improve spark?
Hooked up to the primary I'd imagine it has to boost primary voltage.

Well.....I would try it out but I'd be concerned about long term damage to the coils and/or the ignitors.
The early 11 oldwings already have a history of melting down ignitors.

 

[zman]

dan filipi » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:32 am[/url]":1mriw64p]It hooks up to the coil primary using the existing power feed.

Hmm, that concerns me because I don't know how much additional load is placed on the primary, meaning the ignitors mostly.

I haven't read through everything about it but how does it improve spark?
Hooked up to the primary I'd imagine it has to boost primary voltage.

Well.....I would try it out but I'd be concerned about long term damage to the coils and/or the ignitors.
The early 11 oldwings already have a history of melting down ignitors.

Hmm..I was kinda thinking it would do the opposite by taking some of the load off the ignitors, I need to think some more..I have trouble thinking things out when it is saddled up to an existing ignition rather then integrated into it.
Something else I found on their site was this more detailed explanation of how they work.
https://www.nology.com/powerdetails.html

 

[dan filipi]

zman » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:11 am[/url]":11re0i3n]

dan filipi » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:32 am[/url]":11re0i3n]It hooks up to the coil primary using the existing power feed.

Hmm, that concerns me because I don't know how much additional load is placed on the primary, meaning the ignitors mostly.

I haven't read through everything about it but how does it improve spark?
Hooked up to the primary I'd imagine it has to boost primary voltage.

Well.....I would try it out but I'd be concerned about long term damage to the coils and/or the ignitors.
The early 11 oldwings already have a history of melting down ignitors.

Hmm..I was kinda thinking it would do the opposite by taking some of the load off the ignitors, I need to think some more..I have trouble thinking things out when it is saddled up to an existing ignition rather then integrated into it.
Something else I found on their site was this more detailed explanation of how they work.
https://www.nology.com/powerdetails.html

"Coils much increased primary voltage".
I think it's basically a capacitor that gives the coils a booster shot in voltage. Doing that, in turn would that lower the current required through the ignitors?
I don't know enough about coils and the ignitors to say.
I would have to put a meter on the line to see what's happening.

 

[Ansimp]

Why are they not OEM?

 

[dan filipi]

Ansimp » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:16 pm[/url]":11qv5wa1]Why are they not OEM?

Meaning....why did our bikes not come from the factory with them?
I don't understand the question :headscratch:

 

[Ansimp]

With all the miracle devices you would expect to see at least some of them being used by the manufactures. High output coils found their way to become standard equipment in most applications. :yes:

 

[dan filipi]

My guess is simply adding this thing on may improve spark but other things will need to be done to beef up the stock system. A coil relay comes to mind.
Reason being is if voltage is reduced (as in voltage drop in the wiring we see) then current will go up.
If this thing draws more current from the stock wiring then the voltage drop may be even more of a problem and will probably get worse over time and connections continue to deteriorate.

I don't know, put the thing on and tell us what happens.

 

[Ansimp]

dan filipi » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:44 am[/url]":1848vxvd]My guess is simply adding this thing on may improve spark

I don't know, put the thing on and tell us what happens.

Sounds like a plan :good:

 

[zman]

I`ll see if it installs clean, If I have to cut wires then I`ll just save it for something else, my guess is I`ll need a bullet type Y connector to graft it into the harness.
Still looking for more info, if this is a high RPM gain I cant see needing it, If it has gains at Idle through moderate RPM`s then it would be a useful item.
Would be nice to have an ignition on a bench to hook it up to and compare spark with , maybe get a visual on any improvement.

 

[Ansimp]

If you want to improve your ignition circuit use a relay to supply your coil circuit a full 12v plus :good:

 

[C5Performance]

Alright. I bit my lip until blood squirted forth
After reading the link twice, i found myself stumbling on this statement:
"Coil rise and saturation time is much shorter."

If you run points, your coil saturation time is determined by the lobe on your advancer post (remember the term Dwell?). This is set by the factory when they make the parts. The lobes are designed to give your coil enough time to fill (saturate) at high rpm. It is also why many coils fail. At low rpm, coil saturation is already TOO LONG and the coils super heat, causing coil failure. Some coil companies actual used to recommend "avoiding excessive engine idling" because they know it kills coils from over saturation.

Adding a $60 part is not going to change coil saturation time but "could" help coil rise in high rpm situations.

I actually agree with much of what they are saying (in fairness to Nology). At low rpm even a Briggs & Stratton coil can probably run a motorcycle but the higher the load and rpm, the tougher it is for a coil to fill between plug firings. Misfires can be reduced or eliminated if a coil has enough energy to overcome this. It appears this unit takes battery power and assists the coil in providing enough voltage to reduce or eliminate misfiring of your plugs. Not sure how but i know a guy who could explain it to me. :hi:

Hey, give it a shot. I'm curious as to how well it works. I bet on stock coils it helps a little at very high rpm but does nothing for cold starts or low rpm running. Let me know if i owe everyone a cold beer or if i win a prize Not sure how i will mail a mug of beer :beer:

 

[dan filipi]

Well ya know c5...........there's no reason to wait sending out beer.

 

[mcgovern61]

dan filipi » Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:55 am[/url]":1z1wrv4e]Well ya know c5...........there's no reason to wait sending out beer.

:smilie_happy: (Do we have to get in line?) :hihihi:

 

[zman]

C5Performance » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:38 pm[/url]":1rk7x82e]Alright. I bit my lip until blood squirted forth
After reading the link twice, i found myself stumbling on this statement:
"Coil rise and saturation time is much shorter."

If you run points, your coil saturation time is determined by the lobe on your advancer post (remember the term Dwell?). This is set by the factory when they make the parts. The lobes are designed to give your coil enough time to fill (saturate) at high rpm. It is also why many coils fail. At low rpm, coil saturation is already TOO LONG and the coils super heat, causing coil failure. Some coil companies actual used to recommend "avoiding excessive engine idling" because they know it kills coils from over saturation.

Adding a $60 part is not going to change coil saturation time but "could" help coil rise in high rpm situations.

I actually agree with much of what they are saying (in fairness to Nology). At low rpm even a Briggs & Stratton coil can probably run a motorcycle but the higher the load and rpm, the tougher it is for a coil to fill between plug firings. Misfires can be reduced or eliminated if a coil has enough energy to overcome this. It appears this unit takes battery power and assists the coil in providing enough voltage to reduce or eliminate misfiring of your plugs. Not sure how but i know a guy who could explain it to me. :hi:

Hey, give it a shot. I'm curious as to how well it works. I bet on stock coils it helps a little at very high rpm but does nothing for cold starts or low rpm running. Let me know if i owe everyone a cold beer or if i win a prize Not sure how i will mail a mug of beer :beer:

I really had the impression that is what it was providing results at high RPM`s , I`ll hang onto it and one day I`ll set up a bench top ignition and see if there is a visual difference in spark.
I don't really need anything in the high RPM`s because with this bike I`m not going there all that much.
Thanks allot for your input.

 

[C5Performance]

alright, now do i stick with just Wisconsin beer? I mean, i dont care for Miller but Bud and Coors aren't brewed here.
Pabst is no longer made in the old factory...gosh...maybe i should keep my mouth shut about ignitions :smilie_happy:

Is anyone heading to the Wisconsin GWRRA rally? My GL1000 sidecar will overflow with ICE cold brew. I can't tip over with a chair, right?
(joking...i never drink and ride...but i will have free beer for anyone visiting the C5 Performance booth after hours)

Bring those Nology ignition boosters. We'll see what color they burn in the campfire opcorn:

 

[Anonymous]

I think there is no doubt this thing is a capacitor that will increase power consumption (did we come to that conclusion already?)

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZW-4lsua_U[/video]

 

[zman]

No capacitance according to my Capacitance meter..Has an ohm reading of 11.5 though.
Wish I could make it to Wisconsin..Good luck and have fun at the show C5.