AGM Batteries, Can be brought back from the dead

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This morning my dead agm is reading 13.7 volt with the charger connected. Off the charger it read 10.9 then within a couple minutes dropped to 10.6.
I think this thing has a bad cell that isn't going to come back but ill leave it on the charger and keep checking it.
 
Sulfation kills about 80% of all the lead acid batteries out there and many of those can be brought back to life.

Do you know anything about the remaining 20%?

I have my AGM batteries (Scorpion brand) on my motorcycles hooked up with Battery Tender all the time in my garage. So far I had two of them died on me.

One died after only one year. I know the bike's regulator was not adjusted well and giving more than 14.5V so maybe that killed it?

The other one died on me by the side of the road after two years of service. Since then, I hooked up LED voltmeter to monitor the regulated voltage but haven't seen any excessive. So I don't think it died due to excessive charge.

In both cases, I hook them up to the manual charger and they immediately showed full charge (zero current) and somehwat okay voltage off the charger but load tests failed completely.
 
that sounds like it is only getting a surface charge so it sounds like what he said sulfation of the matt :headscratch: :salute:

The batteries were on Battery Tender all the time (except while I was riding them, of course :hihihi: ) to avoid sulfation in the first place...

In any case, I guess I should buy auto-charger with de-sulfation feature.
 
Update on my AGM doorstop:

After being on the charger for 2 days the battery voltage stayed at a max of 10.9 the instant the charger leads were removed then dropped to 10.6 so I figured this charger wasn't going to bring it back.

Yesterday I put it on the Odyssey charger I bought for the Odyssey battery.
This thing supposedly conditions an AGM with a "smart" circuit that charges full for a time then tapers off then trickles then maintains.
The dead AGM has been on it for about 20 hours and now reads 11.6 when disconnecting it from the charger.

Time will tell what happens.
 
skiri251":37ie6azz said:
Sulfation kills about 80% of all the lead acid batteries out there and many of those can be brought back to life.

Do you know anything about the remaining 20%?

I have my AGM batteries (Scorpion brand) on my motorcycles hooked up with Battery Tender all the time in my garage. So far I had two of them died on me.

One died after only one year. I know the bike's regulator was not adjusted well and giving more than 14.5V so maybe that killed it?

The other one died on me by the side of the road after two years of service. Since then, I hooked up LED voltmeter to monitor the regulated voltage but haven't seen any excessive. So I don't think it died due to excessive charge.

In both cases, I hook them up to the manual charger and they immediately showed full charge (zero current) and somehwat okay voltage off the charger but load tests failed completely.

I would guess bad cell or cracked cases make up the rest along with mis-application and charging problems.

As I mentioned, I never went into a glass mat battery that was bad to see what was going on. Don't see why they wouldn't suffer the same fate but it's worth looking into.

Guys that restore sealed batteries for re-sale cut plug holes into the cells to clean and add electrolyte.
 
For any thinking about building one of the little de-sulfaters as a project:

I found this link which describes on man's project complete with schematic and parts list.

https://www.instructables.com/id/Desulfator-for-12V-Car-Batteries-in-an-Altoids-Ti/

Otherwise there are commercial units around with a little looking on the internet.

I do think that motorcycles in general lose lots of batteries simply because of prolonged storage.

My interest in this all started from planning an off grid source of electricity for a house. Since the sun aint shinning at night, using solar panels requires a storage of energy when not getting direct sunlight. That's done with a bank of batteries and gets expensive. I found that one can find plenty of old 6 volt commercial batteries that can be given new life if you don't mind taking the time to restore them. The alternative is, thousands of $$ in new batteries every few years. All the talk about alternative energy sources is fine and makes sense on the surface but when you actually look at it, it take a lot of effort and maint. to keep it up. My thinking is, people are not going to go to that much trouble regardless of how committed they are to "green issues"

As far as all the trouble some are having with the AGM bike batteries, I would not know exactly what is causing it but, the only real way to factually know what's going on with a particular battery is an individual cell test, like with a hydrometer after a load test shows failure. You can also test each cell with a multimeter by putting the probes into two cells at a time which will measure the strength of the individual cell. (I wouldn't stick my probes into the acid but use a couple cut off wires from a coat hanger on clips attached to the probes) I think all the AGM's are sealed so that means having a way to cut plugs into each cell and re-fit it with removable plugs.

All those methods and ideas are really a bit of a PITA unless you are a tinkerer and like that sort of stuff. (old and guilty here) Some guys have small side business' restoring and selling the used batteries for about 25-30 bucks each. To me that's way too much work and having a shop and yard full of old batteries would freak out my neighbors. :headscratch:

Somewhere I have a link for what I though was a really good charger with a built in de sulfater at a reasonable price. I will look around some more and post it here when I find it.

Bottom line is ....... if the bike is going to sit for any length of time, most of these problem can be prevented with a maint. trickle charger. Everybody has a box of old wall warts from all sorts of toys and other small electrical devices. They all show the volts and amps of output. If you have an old 12 volt one of these you can just cut the plug off and wire some small alligator type clips on the ends. Identify + _ first and use one of those. Two things to be aware of with these wall warts. One: they will provide the volts and amps at all times and there is always the possibility of over charging. Two: You have to make SURE it is plugged into the wall outlet before hooking it up to a battery because there is no blocking diode to prevent current from the battery from flowing into the wall wart and frying it as soon as the voltage gets to it. Learned that the hard way by killing a couple of these before I did the head slap and realized what was going on. I have an old 185 Twinstar that is 6 volt and couldn't find a 6 volt charger so that's how I charge that old bike using a 6 volt wall wart. When that battery finally croaks I'm going to just put a 12 volt in that bike and change all the bulbs over. It should work fine as long as it can keep the thing charged and I think it will because I intend to convert it to all led's.

Anyway, all this is something to think about when going through battery saga's .............. :mischief:
 
skiri251":3aiwjhfi said:
Somewhere I have a link for what I though was a really good charger with a built in de sulfater at a reasonable price. I will look around some more and post it here when I find it.

Great!
I googled and got so many hits. Can't decide which.

As for desulfater, I found this kit on eBay for $15.

https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0904894383&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Certainly cheap enough but it's in Bangkok so, no telling what the shipping or time will be. The price list for the one I have (think I sent to you PM) was $22.00. And I think the Pelican case was almost that much. :hihihi:

Some of the components look a little different but there's always more that one way to skin a cat. You're just trying to send a frequency through the plates to "shake" loose the built up lead sulphate. Mikey designed the board I have to accept a LCD display and show the volts, frequency and status but I haven't put one on yet. I think he was charging $55 for the unit which I believe fair because I know the cost of the parts, Board and case are almost that much. Last conversation I had with him a couple of years ago he said he didn't have any more. He's moved on to other projects since.

If a flooded lead acid battery is simply sulfated this method WILL clean it up and depending on the degree of build up can take up to 3 weeks to completely rejuvenate the battery. If the battery has a cracked plate or the plate has been eaten away nothing will bring it back. That is why I caution anyone to actually check each individual cell and load test to determine what's going on before wasting time using this method.
 
3rd day on the Odyssey charger.
Dead agm is reading 12.10 volts then drops below 12 within 30 seconds.
Volts going up but taking a long time.
Will leave it on the charger, checking it everyday.
 

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