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slabghost

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Okay I'm once again looking at batteries. Standard lead acid are okay but need more attn. than I like.
Gel batteries are better suited for trolling motors on boats.
I do like the AGM batteries.
Now there are a few more options.
Lithium Ion batteries
and Ni Cad batteries

Years ago I read of a guy who had some dry cell batteries that looked like D cells wired together and hidden under the seat. I would like to try something similar.
Anyone have any ideas or experience here? :thanks:
 
Dry cells? Maybe you want to stick to products designed for the bike... or wait til Joe tries it. :BigGrin:

I love my AGM, had the thing for about two years, two desert summers for sure and I can listen to the radio for hours while tinkering and it never fails me.

~O~
 
I know quite a bit about batteries but one thing always seems certain, any type battery can fail without warning.
Lithium for auto use is pretty new and seems promising for its fast recharge. They seem to last well in phones and the like.
After using AGM I'll never go wet cell on a bike again. The last wet pissed acid on my near perfect muffler chrome.
 
Well it seems almost every year I don't get the batteries out of the bikes and winters cold kills them. I'm hoping dry cell batteries will weather better and last longer.
 
[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=158286#p158286:2hxunzgo said:
slabghost » Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:10 pm[/url]":2hxunzgo]
Well it seems almost every year I don't get the batteries out of the bikes and winters cold kills them. I'm hoping dry cell batteries will weather better and last longer.
I've never taken the pc680's off either wing for winter I only disconnect the negative cable and sometimes I forget to do that
 
Deka makes a very dependable A G M battery. :good: NEVER take them out in winter, charge every month or so with battery tender, & they last eight to ten years. :yahoo: Been using them for over ten years, nothing bad to say about them!!! :thank_you:
 
The Dcell size you are thinking of are lithium ion. I wanted to do that but by the time you figured the cost for all the parts, a new one from Ballistic was about $30-50 more. The other part that dissuaded me was the fact that many of the available batteries were from China and were purportedly fake. My first one blew up in about four miles because I had knocked the sense wire off the regulator. That one I ripped apart and only one cell was wrecked. It had seven still at 3.0-3.3v each. I've had the other one for two seasons. It spins it over great. I originally set it up with a relay to get actual battery reading for the regulator, but the regulator is setup for a battery to get in the 13's for voltage. Lead acid are 6cells do 2.1 v each or 12.6v. LiPO4 batteries are 4 cells of 3.3 or 14.2v. They come in groups of 4, 8, 12, or 16 cells. Mine is eight cell. Mine would slowly drain the battery when I had it wired through the relay. I was really disappointed and ready to change out my reg/rec. but I got rid of the relay and ran it up through the start switch as normal and it has been fine ever since. They need over 14.2 to charge up. The guys who run them on sport bikes usually have a port on them to trickle charge them at home.

If you go the LiPO4 route, they want Goldwings to have a 16 cell battery, about$300+. An 8 cell seems fine for mine, the hybridized 1200,000. Another weird thing about these. If you turn them on a few seconds, then wait a few minutes, their voltage goes up. Mine sat for two months last winter, and when I checked it, it had 13.8 volts. Twenty minutes later, it had 14v, just using the multimeter "woke it up." They say in cold temps to turn the key on for a few seconds and wait a few minutes before starting it.

I bought an agm from China for my stock 77. One season, so far so good.
 
The Rats Nest's $60 AGM is still going strong 2 years later and that was after not being run for 5 months while it was in shipping from the states :good:
 
$60 won't buy the old wet cell lead acid here today. While I like proven technology most of the time. I really want to try and do better.
 
[url=https://classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=158348#p158348:2a9tujrl said:
slabghost » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:28 am[/url]":2a9tujrl]
$60 won't buy the old wet cell lead acid here today. While I like proven technology most of the time. I really want to try and do better.

https://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... ID=EBAY-AU
I don't know how good this brand or seller is but the price is still right. Unfortunately in Aussie pesos it is now $86.60 but that is good news for you gringos if you want a holiday in Oz :yes:
 
The one for the 1500 is the same size but more cold cranking amps. The one from Deka is made in Pa., list for $115, & lasts a LONG TIME compared to the replace every year, or two at best others!!! Only make one size for all wings, 1000-1500. Another size for 1800, & think they make one for that, can't say enough good things so far! Replaced one after 10 years, & another after 8, feel pretty good about the life span. Another one over 8 in one of my bikes tests at 350 C C A. Battery rated at 300 or so if memory serves on label when new, still starts with plenty of power, but only tests @ 3/4 power under load. Will probably wait till spring to replace it & keep it for a bench or spare as long as it holds a charge to test things, then $3 on trade in for next one.
 
I pm'd a guy on another forum who has been running this type battery since 2011 and it still works fine.
 
The original user of this battery writes--

Regarding the battery Ah rating, an A123 4.6 Ah is actually exceeding the bike needs. This kind of cells act way different than lead/acid ones do. You DO need a bigger than 10 Ah rating lead acid battery to be able to compete against a 4.6 Ah A123. You'll see what I mean only once you have it in your bike. Plus it does not discharge at all over the winter, provided no alarm systems are there sucking the charge away.

This is sounding very good to me.
 
That's the same battery as the Ballistic evo 8 cell, but with a smaller case, just shrink wrap. I see the Ballistic has gone up $20 in price. I am sure that will rune most bikes fine, just not ones with lots of extras.
 
When i sold my sportster last summer,it had a 5 yo odyssey in it,still kickin
 
Odyssey is a different animal, lithium ion are the real light ones, feels like an empty case, they charge real fast, hold a charge a long time, & have been known to catch fire. :read: Spoke to the guy where been buying 20+ years, he told me about the A G M's 10+ years ago, & they were worth the extra money. :good: He said they are more than likely the battery of the future, :yes: but he would not recomend them yet. :nea: Said 1 in 3 of ALL vehicles sold have A G M's in them from the MFG. :doh: They are here for a while, Odyssey is a lot more cash than Deka A G M's, they may be better & worth the money, but they are heavy unless my understanding is wrong again. :hihihi:
 

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