Public Screwels

[slabghost]

Have you noticed the crap being ineptly taught in public screwel?

 

[Omega Man]

The NEA and their agenda have got to go. Take textbooks FFS, in some of the newer ones Ohpra is more prominent than Benjamin Franklin. I grew up in the CA Bay Area and looking back, I'm surprised I can think for myself at all.

~O~

 

[slabghost]

I feel the village idiot is more qualified to teach his children than most teachers in public screwels. Parents have insight of their children that teachers don't and are unlikely to learn. More emphasis should be given to the basics of reading writing and arithmatic. History books from home are far more accurate than those in public screwels. Spelling seems to be ignored these days. A bit of a pet peeve to me. Words that sound the same or similar do have far different meanings. Public Screwels teach crap like global warming as though it is fact. Sex education is a freaking how to class that get kids busy far too early.

 

[dan filipi]

Good thread, I'll be back!

 

[slabghost]

Lets see now what are the advantages of public screwel?
1. parent has some time w/o the little monster.
2. child is up to date on the latest liberal propaganda and believes it to be true.
3. child gets to be exposed to and bring home all of the popular contagions.
4. kid learns salesmanship selling candy and raffle tickets.
5. kid learns how to beg asking for donations at the local grocery store
6. kid learns ebonics.
7. kid learns parents are too stupid to understand.
8. kid learns how to have sex and use a condom.
9. kid learns he/she is abused when you say "no".
10. kid gets to socialize with delinquents his own age.

Hmm these aren't real advantages in my book. :nea:
help me out here will ya? :thanks:

 

[dan filipi]

You forgot one, and my wife and I came very close to loosing who knows what:

The child learns (not necessarily by their own doing) by saying or writing the wrong thing that a sour overweight black lady from child services visits your house and give's your parents a rash of **** for nothing they've done!

 

[slabghost]

ahh yes that goes along with advantage #9

 

[dan filipi]

Yeah ya know the system is screwed up.

I know a few teachers as well as talked a lot with the teachers of my kids.

They are trying but it's the school system and supposed "lack of funds" preventing them from doing their job and teaching how they REALLY want to teach.
They all say they became a teacher because they want the best for the next generation, and I believe them.

The problem really stems from the *******s at the top, the politicians.

Regular public schools like my generation went to is grossly under funded for the teachers and staff to do their job.
There is a HUGE difference in magnet and charter schools, here anyway.
The parents are involved and that is what makes all the difference.

Parents push the staff for what they want,
Have fund drives
Help with after school activities that the system won't pay for or claim no money for.
And many other things.

From my experiences a childs success or failure starts at home and is heavily dependent on the parents and siblings help and involvement, Period.

 

[joedrum]

theres no doutb that the teaching a bunch of lies ....grabbing aythority over parents rights ...putting completely healthy children on drugs they know nothing about and bring neglect charges on the parents if they voice they dont want there kids on drugs .....and many more countless things that are a total waste to learn ........the reality now days is teachers are useless .....a good computer will beat a dozen teachers ....and much quicker ....less consecinces healthwise ......anytime there a law you have to do something or have something it becomes nothing more than a tax authority over your rights payed for by you ....when teacher cant be fired the fatheaded better than you teacher has nothing to offer kids as in example or teaching anything but the lies they want others to see as truth and there worth as life long parisitrs autoritarians over the slaves that live in the real world

 

[slabghost]

I did ask for a little help in listing advantages to sending kids to public screwel. There must be something. Socializing with kids their own age is done everywhere. Parks, neighborhoods, stores. It is near impossible to separate from others. So that most popular of reasons, doesn't have validity.
Seems everyone feels they are not qualified to teach. I wonder if the reason may be that institutions require college degrees for those they hire to teach. This makes no sense. All parents become teachers from the moment a child is conceived. Or arguably from the moment of birth. Who teaches them to eat,drink, dress, bathe , walk, talk, behave, etc. ? Parents form the basic social skills of the child. All of this before kindergarten! We are all teachers. I agree that schools do their best to undermine the authority of parents but it would be far less effective if parents resisted.

 

[slabghost]

Who actually believes they live by a public school that will help children get ahead in life?

 

[dan filipi]

Here there are 3 types of public schools.
Regular, Magnet and Charter.

They all have different ratings made up of test scores and a bunch of fancy terms I don't care to keep up on but my wife does.

She's worked hard to get all 3 our kids into the highest rated schools.
They are doing advanced work in these schools, some I've never even heard of but I do know it keeps them on their toes unlike was the case when I was a kid.
Is this good?
Well I can't answer that for certain but I do know at least 1/2 of it I've never seen a use for in the "real world", especially the math.
But I do feel kids have to have some exposure to this stuff, without it how would they know if they like it or accel in it or not.
The next Einstein may be one of those kids.

For us (and most of the population) private school is impossible.
Not sure they'd get better than they are now honestly.
Some of our dear friends' kids are going to private, they've had the same problems as ours.

Home school as an option?
I have mixed feelings about that.
True the kids learn things in school I'd rather they didn't but going to school and being required to get up on time, get to each class on time, interacting with other students etc I think is teaching them some responsibility and some social skills they might not get at home.

There is a balance we've had to consider also.
In my case my wife is able to stay home but she needs to do paperwork, answer the phone, take care of legal matters etc for our business. If she was tied up with home schooling I doubt we could get by financially.

 

[joedrum]

yes things are realy complicated in ones options .....but i have admit that the school age kids i have are being home schooled now ....the choice came down to protecting the kids from a system that to many legal setbacks inflected on the kids to ruin there rights as adults while to young to gasp things ....to me this is child abuse period ...sometimes you just have to fire the monsters in the education system and get your kids as far away from them as a parent can to protect your kids future

 

[dan filipi]

Could you explain some of these things, Joe?

I try to watch what mine are doing and what ill effects might be being crammed down their throats but I'm not seeing anything that I feel will be detrimental to them when they are adults.
At least not brought on them by the School itself, other *******s kids as a bad influence yes but the school and the teachers (as well as my wife and I bringing these things to their attension) are on top of it.

The way I see it, the parents play the biggest part in a child's success or failure.
They must stay on top of things and insist with some good old fashioned punishment when needed.

 

[joedrum]

its not the teachers so much as its the power structure behind them that has way to many consecquenches in it and the promise of more if something gose bad in there opinion ...at home he will not face those people daily

 

[scdmarx]

Here there are 3 types of public schools.
Regular, Magnet and Charter.

They all have different ratings made up of test scores and a bunch of fancy terms I don't care to keep up on but my wife does.

She's worked hard to get all 3 our kids into the highest rated schools.
They are doing advanced work in these schools, some I've never even heard of but I do know it keeps them on their toes unlike was the case when I was a kid.
Is this good?
Well I can't answer that for certain but I do know at least 1/2 of it I've never seen a use for in the "real world", especially the math.
But I do feel kids have to have some exposure to this stuff, without it how would they know if they like it or accel in it or not.
The next Einstein may be one of those kids.

For us (and most of the population) private school is impossible.
Not sure they'd get better than they are now honestly.
Some of our dear friends' kids are going to private, they've had the same problems as ours.

Home school as an option?
I have mixed feelings about that.
True the kids learn things in school I'd rather they didn't but going to school and being required to get up on time, get to each class on time, interacting with other students etc I think is teaching them some responsibility and some social skills they might not get at home.

There is a balance we've had to consider also.
In my case my wife is able to stay home but she needs to do paperwork, answer the phone, take care of legal matters etc for our business. If she was tied up with home schooling I doubt we could get by financially.

We started home schooling because public school in our area left a terribly sour taste with us. Your concern about the kids learning responsibilities and social skills is a valid one for sure. And academically, there is much they need that surpasses my knowledge, such as math, etc. they need in middle school grades that was being taught as extra curriculum when I was in high school.

There are a few understandable misconceptions about home schooling to people who have never been there. It's not for everyone - every household - every child. It worked for us for a long while. Whether or not it would work for you and yours I can't say. First of all, don't ever think you can't teach your kids. That's just plain absurd, but the fine folks at the public school system who's paycheck is dependent on your kids attendance will volunteer one hell of an argument otherwise. I didn't realize it until I actually took the plunge, but that argument is totally bogus. Our biggest help came from joining a local home school organization. Not required by California law, but greatly beneficial to us. It was $530 a year per entire family. What we got was them leading us by hand, step by step to get started schooling and cover our butts legally. Lotta support from these folks. They explained to us how to act when a truant officer shows up at your front door with a uniformed civil servant. They kept all our records on file, which they required of us to fill out daily and turn in weekly. Forms that included things like attendance, courses studied, etc. If we were ever hassled at the front door, we'd just hand them a card from the records keeper with contact information and be done with it. For all intent and purposes, it would appear that our kids are attending a private school. A.C.T.S. Atascadero Christian Training Schools, Atascadero CA. The leaders were retired professional educators themselves. We got interaction with other home schooled families and learned as we went along. Fridays was class day. One of the local churches would allow our organisation to use their Sunday school class rooms, and parents would volunteer to teach a class. With 5 or more classes going on, there would be some intersting subjects. Most of the time they were fun and allowed students a day out of the house to interact with their new friends. The moms had their little support meetings during this time as well. The organization is very structured and was able to help us get somewhat structured as well. We have Christmas plays, science fairs, and all that stuff. At our house, I am the principal and my wife is the administrator. Our house "is" a school. As for teaching the kids responsibilities of getting to class on time and all that, it happens at home, too. As much as you want. There is bed time, there is time to get up, there is breakfast time, there is make your bed time, any before school chores time, there is "everything off and books open to study" time. There are time limits for lesson plans, there is lunch time, etc. just like the rest of the world. There are rewards and consequences. We know lots of people in our area so there is really no lack of social interactions. The key here is that we have some control over just who our kids are socially interacting with. Curriculum are numerous. Take your pick. Our state dictates that students must have a semester of "this" and a semester of "that", but you choose the books you feel comfortable with for each grade level. And you are not stuck at home all the time. A family outing can be a field trip, (like to the zoo, or hospital to visit someone) a trip to the grocery store is a home economics class. Working on the car is a shop class. Maybe you'd like a woodworking class a couple days a week to break it up? Or a gardening class? Have your kid tally up your monthly bills and balance your check book for math. (of course you're gonna grade their work) Community sports counts also. Our organization proctors the state mandatory testing once a year for evaluation.
The biggest thing that made a difference "in our face" was that this is a commitment that requires 110%. Our life style changed dramatically. We never realized just how much we became dependent on the public school system to babysit our kids, and the extent of media influence/brainwashing that is aimed directly at our kids. And at us as parents! You just have to take this commitment seriously to get what you expect out of it. If it's something you want to do, then it's not that hard. You just have to want it. Mom and dad have to get there ***** on the same page and lead the kids through it. Kids really do want our leadership. They just don't realize it.
Our daughter graduated highschool. Our organization had a graduation ceremony, with cap 'n gown, speeches, diplomas, the whole nine yards. The same ceremony included a little something for the middle school grads as well. She now attends the local community college, works part time at a bakery, plays violin and some keyboard for a couple churches and teaches Sunday school, drives herself everywhere, got her nose pierced, got a discreet tattoo, and ended up with all the personality in our family. Our 16 year old son was having great difficulty getting a handle on math that surpasses my understanding, so he decided he wants to attend a private school that some of his friends from ACTS are now going to, so I am selling aluminum cans for gas money to get to work on the 83 Interstate to finance his education. Whether or not he goes to this school again next year will depend entirely on how his grades look this year. I'll give him everything I got, but I refuse to enable him to continue to piss it away. The ball is in his court -with our support. We still have a 13 year old son at home. When I was 11, I was stealing cigarettes and loose change from parked cars. I turned 13 in juvenile hall. At 15 I was buying kilos and selling ounces of pot. At 16 I was shacked up with my 18 year old pregnant girlfriend. At 17 the judge gave me an ultimatum, and next stop was Ft Ord in Monterey, CA. But it didn't stop there. Overseas, at 19 I was the main supplier of hash and heroin for our small Army base. Back in the states again, I helped my cousin cook meth, started ripping off drug dealers, did time for possession, sales, and bankrobbery. I find it amazing beyond belief that today my kids probably don't even know what pot smells like. I can lay a hundred dollar bill down on the kitchen table, set a beer on top of it, and come back 3 days later to find it untouched. My dad never would've got away with that! :ahem: But it wasn't his fault. I wish I knew how to be a better dad for my kids. But I don't brains enough.
This is getting long, and ......maybe off topic :?: Ok, I'm done.

 

[slabghost]

Wow! Your youth isn't exactly a good example But you are one helluva Dad.
I wish I'd had the opportunity with my children. My ex wives and the courts had other plans though. The whole idea of schooling is to prepare folks for life. To give them insight and understanding of not just how things work but also how things work best. Family and home is where rules and responsibility are learned best and you've done a fine job there as well. I couldn't leave $5 on the table if my brother was around.