terrible change by three judges

[joedrum]

it is with great regret that i make this post and will try to be as respectful as i can with such a disgusting that has happen to all people that live in indiana ...the indiana supreme court has strip all property rights in indiana from it people here in the state ...your home in indiana can entered by the gov or law enforcement without any warrants your property and all stuff you own can be gone through ransacked confincated or distroyed and if you resist in anyway in there opinion you can shot with deadly force ....this has effectively made all people in indiana no better off than the palestinians in gaza or weat bank in israel ...but even more worst is that anybody who is in indiana can be completely assaulted in public and shot to death for absolutly no reason at all .....

this puts indiana as one of the worst places to in in entire world and i suggest that none of follow wing brothers stay out of indiana as your life is in peril just being here ive stayed quiet about this but it didnt take long for alot of law enforcement people allready talking of random searches of residents as things :crying: :beg: :shock: :rant: :head bang: :head bang: there going to do here ...thepeople in indiana are good people but apparently the state has declared war against any and freedoms here ...iwent to breakfast at where the cops eat and overheard there laughter about there new found control they have .....and i cant help but be entirely upset over all the money and work ive invested in my home has trashed by three judges in indiana that change everything for all people that live here ....on the other side of this is that now any decent law enforcement people that still show up for work in this state have to be considered SS squad nazis no matter how good there intensions are label by these judges as nazis ....no true american could work for law enforcement now but if they made a stand there family would be the first to be gone after what horrible possistion for people to put in ....but its time to do something tho if it were me and i had been put in this possistions by these insane judges ....i sure hope this puts an end to govener mcdaniels bid for he president for sure ..he put these judges in place that did this...me personaly am taking all my stuff thats means anything to me out of this state period

i can only say that there is no good reason to come visit me in indiana under such conditions ans caution all not to step foot in this state period ...i think all people in other states sould boycott indiana completely andnot buy any products made here at all .....im pulling my son out of the public school and done with it thinking of sending him to another state for his safety as he is a teenager and under these cercumstances am dont want to get a story about how he resisted law enforcement and was killed ....this the most disgustint thing that has ever happen to me and my family as in gov intrusion ....this is effectively marshall law in america without coming out and saying so ...seems to be the american way of goverment today im severaly upset and will probably not post much for awhile as this has taken me out of my normal joyful self and im not much of a faker in attituded ...god bless everyone here as you are all true friends of mine in our great little wingdom forum :help: :help:

 

[toytender01]

Wow sorry to hear all that .. we will be prayinf for sanity to retuen to your local Government

 

[Omega Man]

I heard a small bit about something(on TV) that sounds like what happened there, and to be honest it's so scary I've been ignoring this niggling urge to go searching the internet fearing I'll find it.

Move Joe.

~O~

 

[54Greybeard]

That is shocking news! I was born in Hammond and spent the first 14 years of my life in Dyer, 2 miles from the Illinois state line, 15 miles from Chicago. Always wanted to go back, was thinking a classic 'wing would be the way to go. How did this pass?

 

[slabghost]

This is unconstitutional crap! It can't be allowed to stand! :Awe:

 

[detdrbuzzard]

This is unconstitutional crap! It can't be allowed to stand! :Awe:

my thoughts too. someone needs to take this up with the supreme court of of the state and if that isn't enough get washington involoved. with laws like that america truly is turning into the next third world nation

 

[dan filipi]

Damnit Joe, and I thought you had the ideal situation out there!

Keep a cool head and don't do anything crazy just yet. Maybe it sounds worse than it actually is.

What brought this about anyway, why did the judges rule for this?

 

[joedrum]

william it was the supreme court of indiana that made this law ....im not real sure what case they were taking up as to the perticulars in it ....i know that main stream media is not even mentioning this as news ..but its effectively marshal law there already talking random searches of private property ,,,whictch don exist here anymore period..im in total fear for my family and my wife and daughter are at her fathers place ,,,,and its just me and m son here im clueless on whats next but there are things i have to consider now ....my whole plans of providing a nice place for my kids that already in there names is totaly wipeout as it stands now ...there are no rights in indiana at all anymore....

 

[dan filipi]

https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt ... 29697.html

It seems the ruling stems from domestic disputes.

Police entry when called for a domestic dispute is nothing new especially if they feel someones safety is at risk but still a man has a sacred right to protect his own home.

I found out how powerful the "system" is when we were visited by child protection services.
scdmarx has quite a story too.

 

[danf]

Joe, I'm sorry to hear this...So much for freedom.... :shock: I will stay out of your State...Do you know of any other States with the same law? Please don't stop posting here...That's crazy talk man...Your Joe Drum you can't do that to us man..

 

[Tory]

As unconstitutinal as it is,I dont see it changing much.
As dan found out,if they want in,they will find a reason or trump up a warrent,or a reason to violate our rights.this just cuts back on red tape.

We have a system that is designed,and evelves to protect us,unfortunitly its the innocent that get abused by it,and the guilty that abuse it.
We as a nation need to get more behind the TEA party and make are voises heard that we have had enough of BIG government,and the real cuts that need to be made need to be made in washington and our capital citys.Not to try to strip us of our rights and money.

I have been through similar ordeals over my youngest missing to much school.Hes very sick prone and catchs everything.I send him to school no matter what(poor kid) but they send him home with a fever,or diaria,or puking in the hall,and have the balls to threaten me for him missing to much school.To add salt to the wounds,they call my wife to come get him,and she shouldnt drive,and cant get her wheel chair in the car alone,but they wont release him if she dont come inside.
Damned if I do....

They say they know hes sick,but need docters slips to excuse him,I told them I dont count the days they called me,and Im not paying the over inflated med bills over a cold or flu they cant help anyhow.Dont get me wrong,he gets his check-ups (more frequently than most)and I dont ignore true problems.They sould worry about his education,Ill worry about his well being.I think Im doing a better job than they are.

 

[scdmarx]

Tory,
Have you considered home schooling? I don't know about the laws in your state. Everyone in the public school system will tell you all about how you can't do it. Don't listen to them. Look into it yourself. There are very likely some homeschool organizations in your area that can help you undrstand what you need to do to stay legal.

 

[joedrum]

oh my tory its amazing the rights they have taken away from parents ....there are manys stories here on this small forum of wingers ....mine is when the school pretty much mandated that i give my son ridlelin or charge me with child neglect and abuse if ididnt i was left with the only recorse to simply agree to there face and was then in control of the medication ....i simply made a deal with my son that if he would bring his grades up and quit causing problems in school i would simply distroy the meds on a daily basis .....it all came to a head a year later when they wanted to tout the success of the drugs useing my son as an example that he let story out about not ever taking the drugs ....they bought charges against me and served me with papers try to make it where i could have contact with my kids and did for a period of time bah bah bah the charges were all droped and its been a confrontational relationship with school and local authorities ever since he was in third grade .....he is now going to be a senior next yr in school and is a star athlete and has been kept off of the school teams in baskitball baseball and football i wont allow as to the danger and to the schools requirement of no responsibility ....its been quite an education for him as he is without question the best baskitball player in the small town we live in and baseball the only player ive i ever seen to make a triple play in his peer group when he played for the nieboring town in an out school league ....its amazing what our school system has become and i wish you and son great things in his future .....as that has been the outcome in my sons life dispite all the interference against him from school officials that do anything but there job.....of teaching responsibly..... :nea: :good: :mrgreen:

 

[joedrum]

to knowledge this the first state to take property rights tolaly away from all the people that live in indiana and codone deadly force if you resist beav simply disgusting ruling by the supreme court jesters of evil in the state of indiana :nea: :rant: :head bang: :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky: :cheeky: simply unamericamn as it gets

 

[ekvh]

Hang in there, Joe. I don't opine much on subjects like these. I have lived a rather rebellious life, not by most people's standards, but I know I ---lost -- a good thirty year's of my life thinking the way America thinks. I believe that democracy has been a good government for America because the majority of the people who founded and maintained our country for around 200 years were God fearing first. God fearing people who realize that Jesus spoke of a Kingdom, not a democracy; that God was and Is in control, and that those who follow Jesus' example will not fail; that governments are allowed to be in place by God and that we are to submit to their control. I picked up the same rebellious attitude towards the church, the schools, (I'm a teacher), and most institutions, but I really think it was in my own rebelling nature, that nothing but failure and untrue happiness came. For me, a lack of purpose in life was fed by constant criticism of anything I could find. My life seemed to be dominated by, "They can't do that, they can't tell me or you that." I am afraid however of what might become of America's happiness that we have helped install democratic governments in other countries. Our forefathers clearly attempted to install a government whose rule was Christian. People have been busy editing that out of history books. We are no longer, "One country under God," but, "One country under democracy." One country under the Constitution as we have changed it to now." Democracy says majority rules. And the majority of the people in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq etc are of a different religious belief than those who founded successful democratic governments here and in other parts of the world. I'm no prophet, but I won't be surprised to see democracy rule in those countries and something more evil than what is there, get put in place whose sole objective is to attack and destroy us. Hey, it's May 21st! I have a few more hours. Whoops, " No man knows the day or the hour." I f Jesus returns today, I'm ready, if he returns a thousand years from now, I'll be in the dust ready. My life has become more content, and stuff rolls off my back as I now know that the only purpose I have in life is to point people to the Truth that only the Bible teaches. I'm in public education, and I am frustrated as all get out that I cannot say what I believe because I could lose my job because of it. Joe, you're at the worst part of it, because you're watching your kids get hurt by it. That was the worst for me, too. We want the best for them, and many times it seems others don't. Looking back, I wish I hadn't taught my kids to be so rebellious. They watched me and I paved the way. I hope they don't have to throw thirty years away like I did. I believe in democracy, but only when true Christian belief is what rules it. That belief can be seen by spiritual people, but is usually learned best with the Bible as a guide. I really rambled here, sorry. I wish the "Tea Party" was the answer, but they seem to be filled with as much hate, as it seems all we see is people screaming. It would be great if we could all have our own forty acres and pay no taxes and live off the land, but the fact is we need to defend, we need health care, and most importantly, we need good roads for our Goldwings, and it all costs money. Unfortunately, we need police and law. I think we need to empower them more, not less. Maybe we need to remove the ones who are not legit. At least they're not asking us to build a great pyramid. I hope I didn't offend anyone too much. Apologies in advance if I did. I definitely appreciate the freedom to exchange info about Goldwings here.

 

[mcgovern61]

ekvh, you are right in that this country's laws are founded on the Bible. The basic principles of the Bill of Rights and our Constitution can easily be traced and found in Scriptures. Just go around any public building more than 100 years old and you will find adorned on their walls and inbedded in their facades Scriptures that our founders and government approved.

Many of you know I am a Believer in Jesus and Bible teacher, but not all of the founding fathers or signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians. (Just want to keep the history correct.) However, our laws were based on the Bible, every public meeting began and ended with prayer, the Bible was the first US government mass produced book used in the public schools and so on. Our government is not a democracy, we are a Republic..meaning..we have a representative government. We vote freely as a democratic society, but we do not vote on every decision that is made. We elect representatives to vote for us. Our founding laws were not meant to be forced Christianity, it is based on the Bible with God at the center. Our founders made sure that our government would not be headed by an established church (Remember why the Pilgrim's left England??) But they made sure that we were free to worship without government approval (or intervention).

However, our country is taking the same path as Israel of the past did, (Israel was established on God's law specifically)....they were not satisfied with God's law alone and continued to add to God's law to the point they could no longer follow the Scriptures without violating their own man made laws and fell away. When Jesus came, He always asked "have you not read" what was in the law? Whenever the leaders tried to trip Him up. He always responded with the words (The Law) from what we call the Old Testament. They were no longer following God's law, they were following their own laws to the point that you could no longer tell what was true.

We have created so many laws in this country that you can be found guilty of almost anything if you sit long enough! But, like Israel, we have gotten so far from the basic law, where will we go as a Nation? Look in Joe's backyard!!

 

[joedrum]

iam in no way trying to judge all teachers and in a small story its hard to get all the story in there are many teachers that respect as they are many and no one power over them speaks or carry all there beleifs .....there are many who stood by me in silence and that was enough to make me strong and idid not want them to jepordize there job

theres a fine line between decernment and judgement but the best i know is dcernment is for the good of everything going on and judgement is for punishmnt and control ....all the things you spoke of are my beleafs totaly ...but its not hard to see that some things are easy to see .....gov is to serve people not for people to serve gov ....this is truly ment for god not country ....this is where everything has come apart today ....i do pay taxes everytime somthing is purchased i do mostly feed my family on my own ....im am a farmer in the past ive put food on table for many i dont need the groceey store and souldnt be forced to ...i have never been without purpose ever and my life is full of kowledge that cant be taught at desk ...i have built everything from a doghouse to skyscrapers i am a accomplished musician of percussion and can go with anyone even at the age of 56yrs ....the ways of the world have never held me down ever only sickness has ever stop me ...my faith in the lord an his freedom have nothing to do with control over someone else ...the gov has gone away from god big time and its up to to people of god to be fearless in support of jesus and love thy nieghbor as we do ourselfs .....jesus was rebelous i think in your diffinition i read ...iwork very hard for my family and i cant shut up when authorites who care nothing for my son want to put them on drugs they know nothing about not while im there parent and suckng air above ground no matter what the schools want to charge me with ...

on this forum we speak freely and respectful and the first admendment means something and i respect you and all here and nobodys offended here were all a bunch of thick skin and hard headed wingers where respect is our highest value i think god bless you in your job... :mrgreen:

 

[detdrbuzzard]

i can't say if the govment has gone against god but the govment has gone against the people. i am surprised there is no demonstration at the state capitol

 

[sledge]

this sure looks and sounds bad Joe. I have over the years seen the ( Law ) do many things that was hard to believe, and some of them I'm sure was not legal . But.... you never heard anoything about these things . and no 1 person or even 100 people can do much if anything about it . it takes a LOT of people. I hope this is not as Bad as it looks.

 

[scdmarx]

Relax Joe. They are from the government and they are here to help you. :wave:
This is your tax dollars at work. :swoon: