Another "Better Idea"....

[Tory]

It doesnt have a clutch link you would think.
There are three little pins that when starter spins are thrown into the drum and turns the moter.
It does take much gunk,or whatever to inhibit the pins from rolling free.
Think of it like the starter recoil on a small push mower.

Also,if the battery is week or starter is week and the starter isnt spinning fast enough to throw the pins it will spin freely.

 

[lew1701]

I agree with Tory...weak battery would be my first thought, then the starter itself. And as far as not having a kick starter...that's what you youngsters get for riding these "new fangled" motorcycles. :smilie_happy:

 

[toytender01]

:hi: I REPLACED MY STARTER THIS SUMMER WHEN IT RAN FREE AND WOULD NOT START..ALSO CHARGED THE BATTERY BEEN FINE EVER SINCE BOB

 

[slabghost]

Any more news on this? :builder:

 

[scdmarx]

Any more news on this? :builder:

Matter of fact.....

I tested the battery at work and it tested just into the good zone. (my wording) I tested starter draw and didn't see any problem as far as pulling too many amps. But then, if the starter ain't pulling a load, amps won't be high. I checked the starter draw on my othe GW just for comparrison. A little difference but not as much as expected. I'd been running a Seafoam cocktail for a week and a half, with absolutely no change what so ever. I found that a little strange. I got to thinking about what Tory said about not spinning fast enough. Hopeing to discover a bad cable connection or something to that effect, I had time this morning, so I went out and hooked up my battery charger directly to the starter and ground to an engine bolt and set that sucker on 12 volt-200 amp-Start. Flipped the switch on and off several times and the starter was making the same sound as before. So I pulled the starter and found this:

Broken Starter

• scdmarx
• Oct 9, 2010

Broken-Starter

• scdmarx
• Oct 9, 2010

Looks like she 'sploded, Lucy! Notice the chunk is pushed "out" not "in".
I took the starter off my 82 (where a 1/2 quart of oil poured out the starter hole) and put it on the Interstate and it started right up, even without the choke.

Any ideas to kick around? I haven't noticed any backfire while starting. I don't think the over running clutch would allow that type of damage anyways, do you?

Moma's real happy she don't hafta push no more! arty:

 

[scdmarx]

Removing the starter was a 5-6 minute job, on each bike. Installation wasn't much more.

 

[dan filipi]

Any ideas to kick around? I haven't noticed any backfire while starting. I don't think the over running clutch would allow that type of damage anyways, do you?

The engine in the parts bike I have has a frozen starter clutch which would spin the starter at engine speed when running.

While checking the engine I thought if I just keep the idle real low the starter won't get hurt.
That seemed to be true but once I got it running the urge to rev it was irresistable. As soon as I did, the armature where the brushes ride came apart :doh:
Nothing came out the side though.

Take it apart. Something broke the case. Probably a gear.

 

[slabghost]

Agreed. Looks like time to get another starter.

 

[jdegase]

AWww Ricki !

theres some good news here... looks like the motor part of your starter is ok, hopefully the gear on the armature is ok.. and all you might need is the nosecone, with the reduction gears.
I'll bet the motor wasnt even spinning the output shaft, and the reduction gears are broken.
since this is a fairly common starter, popular to many years shouldnt be hard to find a few parts..

BTW.
I'v found my wing starts so good, that I sit on the seat, with the bike in 1st or 2nd and the clutch in.... get it rolling with my feet and pop the clutch, usually it fires right up. (one advantage to being big and tall)
I'v had other riders jumping off to push... and just as they get clear of there bike I'll be fired up
now if theres a problem somewhere its totally the opposite story..... you can have 2 guys pushing you around a parkinglot till there blue and she wount stay running.

 

[sledge]

it may just be the Starter Chain............... broke.......or off.........

 

[slabghost]

it may just be the Starter Chain............... broke.......or off.........

Looks like she 'sploded, Lucy! Notice the chunk is pushed "out" not "in".
I took the starter off my 82 (where a 1/2 quart of oil poured out the starter hole) and put it on the Interstate and it started right up, even without the choke.

Any ideas to kick around? I haven't noticed any backfire while starting. I don't think the over running clutch would allow that type of damage anyways, do you?

 

[slabghost]

Take it apart. I'd guess one or more teeth came off a gear and wedged between the gears. This may be due simply to metal fatigue. Even hardened gears fail over time.

 

[joedrum]

jim i guess you are big and tall ...ive never been able to start one like that :clapping: :mrgreen:

 

[scdmarx]

I was expecting to find this packed with grease. When I took the screws loose oil dribbled down my pants leg.

Whut's up with all this oil? And I don't see anything broke like I expected to see. Whaddya'll think?

 

[dan filipi]

Looking again at the broken piece it appears there's a locator pin where the case broke out.

My theory is the 3 long screws were not tight which let the starter case flex causing the locator pin to break the case.

The gears should have grease not oil.
You mentioned a 1/2 qt. of oil came out the starter hole.
That's not normal, tells me the scavenger pump isn't pumping the oil out of the rear case. My guess is the scavenger pump is plugged.

 

[scdmarx]

Looking again at the broken piece it appears there's a locator pin where the case broke out.


My theory is the 3 long screws were not tight which let the starter case flex causing the locator pin to break the case..

The screws felt tight when taking them off with a phillips screw driver, but not like "impact driver" tight. They are long and thin enough that it probably wouldn't take much to allow everything to twist and flex. Good a theory as any, so far. :music:

The pin is there to locate the planetary ring gear. If you look close you will see the keyway? in the gear.

The gears should have grease not oil.
You mentioned a 1/2 qt. of oil came out the starter hole.
That's not normal, tells me the scavenger pump isn't pumping the oil out of the rear case. My guess is the scavenger pump is plugged.

The oil that came from the starter hole was from the other bike, which donated the good starter, which I have to pull the motor out, to address the leak from the back cover.
The good starter came from this one

Lake Margarita

• scdmarx
• Jan 8, 2010

with the oil leak.
The broken starter came off this one

83 Interstate

• scdmarx
• Jun 27, 2010