crap......front tire rub

[deanbw]

Howdy all,
I bought what I thought would be a decent tire for my 86 aspy, it's a Shinko 777 HD 130/90-16.
Looks good but too big, rubs the fender one side just barely at the fork depression.
So now I want to get a different tire but now I'm spooked, what have you used that fits without rubbing?

 

[joedrum]

its to bad on my bike I actually had to make a fender for the front ...the tire is nice one ....

 

[zman]

Wonder if you can skin it a little, that edge is pretty thick and doesn't get much road action.

 

[ekvh]

Can you slot the holes and move the fender up a bit?

 

[Ansimp]

ekvh » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:11 am[/url]":2u81rtnj]
Can you slot the holes and move the fender up a bit?

Also is it possible that the tire/wheel is not centred correctly ( rubs on one side)?

 

[deanbw]

Ansimp » Today, 3:13 pm[/url]":1tt034cd]

ekvh » Wed Apr 22, 2015 8:11 am[/url]":1tt034cd]
Can you slot the holes and move the fender up a bit?

Also is it possible that the tire/wheel is not centred correctly ( rubs on one side)?

yes thanks for asking, it is centered up, almost touches on right side just touches on left. If I moved it at all it would be other way around

 

[slabghost]

Loosen the fender bolts a bit and see if you can move it from rubbing. It won't move much but may move enough. I have to look later but I think I'm running the same tire on my 84.

 

[julimike54]

According to the Shinko web https://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/777 that tire width is 5.08 inches (I presume).
The OEM tire was a F11 130/90 and that size according to Total Motorcycle https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Dunlop-F11.htm has a width of 5.25 inches.
According to Steel Thunder https://www.steelthundercc.com/tiresizes.html the 130/90 is 5.0 to 5.4 inches, depending on the speed rating.
According to Dunlop MT90, the E3 that I run on my 1986 Aspy, is 5.24 inches, every so slightly narrower than OEM tire.

Looking at the clearance left between tire and fender is about .25" on each side (cant measure just eyeballed). I did notice that the fork is exposed at that clearance point where the max width of tire is, the fender brace and the fender are both cut away there (this is all factory by the way).

I'm wondering if you have something going on here. I measured between the forks above the fender, at the inside seam where the fork brace is & it measures about 4". I'd check that dimension to see if the forks are right there. I measured the outside dimension of 2 front rotors at about 5.75" and there is about 3/16" from rotor to fork inside (again that's an eyeball measure) I don't have a tool to fit inside and measure, just holding tape and eye the dimension.

Maybe some of this info will help

 

[bronko37]

I am running Michelin Commander II tires on my 84 Aspy. So far they are great and I talked to the guy who mounts and balances my tires and he said that he is ditching the Dunlops and installing these on all of his cruiser bikes because they perform so well and last so long. He had a tire from a customer that had over 15K miles on it and still had half of its tread life. IMHO this is a real up and coming tire on the MC market.

https://motorcycle.michelinman.com/tires ... mmander-ii

 

[bronko37]

Another note that I will add is when changing tires you should always do both at the same time when switching brands or styles. It is important that the front and rear tires be the same make and model. MC tires work in uni sine to skirt the water away on wet roads. They also provide traction together as well. If you ran, for example, a Dunlop on the front and a Michelin on the rear the bike would not "track" the same on both ends and will cause a noticeable uneasiness when riding. For this reason I always recommend changing both tires at the same time for best results. Sounds like you just got some new tires on there tho so you may seek another way to make them work instead of shelling out more cash for another set of new tires.

 

[Rolilk]

I just put. New tire on mine and had a rub on the left hand side. After some time looking at it I noticed that I had the front fender guard mounted on the outside of the fender. Took the fender bolts out and moved the fender to the outside and the guard on and bolted everything together and no more rubbing. This might be a way to find some room if you have a guard on the fender.

 

[deanbw]

julimike54 » April 21st, 2015, 6:46 pm[/url]":20f28km0]
According to the Shinko web https://www.shinkotireusa.com/tire/777 that tire width is 5.08 inches (I presume).
The OEM tire was a F11 130/90 and that size according to Total Motorcycle https://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/tire-tyre-guide/Dunlop-F11.htm has a width of 5.25 inches.
According to Steel Thunder https://www.steelthundercc.com/tiresizes.html the 130/90 is 5.0 to 5.4 inches, depending on the speed rating.
According to Dunlop MT90, the E3 that I run on my 1986 Aspy, is 5.24 inches, every so slightly narrower than OEM tire.

Looking at the clearance left between tire and fender is about .25" on each side (cant measure just eyeballed). I did notice that the fork is exposed at that clearance point where the max width of tire is, the fender brace and the fender are both cut away there (this is all factory by the way).

I'm wondering if you have something going on here. I measured between the forks above the fender, at the inside seam where the fork brace is & it measures about 4". I'd check that dimension to see if the forks are right there. I measured the outside dimension of 2 front rotors at about 5.75" and there is about 3/16" from rotor to fork inside (again that's an eyeball measure) I don't have a tool to fit inside and measure, just holding tape and eye the dimension.

Maybe some of this info will help

Thank you,
I measured the tire with a pair of calipers and it measures 5.4 wide, should as you say be much narrower, it is an HD tire so I wonder if being heavy duty makes a difference. If the tire did not have the tread hang so far past the side wall it would not be an issue. The thing barely rums and only in one spot, but it still bothers me.

 

[deanbw]

Thanks to all who helped out on this, I am getting another tire, they just aren't that much money and it will satisfy my curiosity, I think it's just the nature of this one tire, probably great on a crotch rocket, just a little tight on these old toads

 

[julimike54]

That dimension of 5.08 is per web on the HD tire, I wonder what is going on with Shinko & dimensions?

 

[Ansimp]

deanbw » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:39 am[/url]":1lf3z0e8]
Thanks to all who helped out on this, I am getting another tire, they just aren't that much money and it will satisfy my curiosity, I think it's just the nature of this one tire, probably great on a crotch rocket, just a little tight on these old toads

Dean I can't reconmend the Shinko A230s enough :yes: I just paid $120 aud for my new front which finally replaced the front half of the pair fitted by Steve back in mid 2013 for $144 usd delivered (Altadena CA). Some aren't happy with the milage but due to the lower cost I would rather have fresh tires more frequently. They are great performance tires with excellent wet weather characteristics and seem to handle the rocks and dirt of my DD really well.

New front tyre all fitted up to the Rats Nest

• Ansimp
• Apr 17, 2015

Tread depth on the new rear

• Ansimp
• Aug 24, 2014

The rear was fitted Aug 2014 and the front last week. I had fitted a Metzler Lasertech to the rear in February which wore out real fast as I believe was more suited to a lighter bike.

 

[brianinpa]

Ansimp » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:06 pm[/url]":1xmyrssb]
Dean I can't reconmend the Shinko A230s enough :yes:

Me too! The one that is on my bike now has 5500 on it and it is only 1/2 way gone. I just bought another from Motorcycle-superstore and paid $135 for a front and rear tire.

 

[mcgovern61]

I like my Bridgestone Spitfires! $88 and my last front tire lasted for 22,000 miles:

viewtopic.php?p=114046#p114046

 

[deanbw]

I want to thank all of you for your help.
I do have a 230 ordered, and I found out today that the shinko 777 will not fit a goldwing, at least not on any up to 87, dont know after that.l called and talked to shinko america today and they apologized and said they know their tires run a little big, some more than others, he said most of the time it's not an issue but there are a few cases where it is an issue and this is one, the only tire they recommend (from them) is the 230 tourmaster. They told me tha 777 will not work on my bike. I told them I know it's best to keep tires matched and should I buy a rear to go with the new front. I was told that the 777 on back will be fine with the 230 up front. I hope he's right, I will find out in a month or so when I get this thing put all back together.

 

[Ansimp]

When you wear out the 777 go for the 230 on the rear. I just hope they continue to make these tires for a long time as they are great for OldWings :good:
I ran the Metzler with the Shinko on the front and the Rats Nest handled fine :moped:

 

[brianinpa]

I had a 712 on the front for about 10,000 and had a 712 and then a 230 on the rear. Until they bout wore out and replaced them both with a new set of 230's. I had no problems with different tires front and rear for that approximate 5000 miles