damorsoft
Member
To save alot of typing here is a summary of my emails and back to Saber Cycle.. Do not buy your head-gaskets from these guys...
Dec 17 2011 1:53pm
An update to my email of yesterday.. The head gaskets are not sized correctly the space between the upper and lower head bolts front and rear is too short and the
gasket is being forced into a ridge and preventing the heads from seating 100%.
If you could check this out and let me know what to do.
I could clean out the holes to fit and remove the ridge but this is kind of an aftermarket fix.
Mon, Dec 19 2011 11:26am - staff
The gaskets are gang punched in a permanent die fixture, and there is no
variance between any in our inventory. All match OEM samples we have on hand for quality control checking BEFORE we even OK a production lot.
Our head gaskets fit a stock piston bore. We have the very same head gaskets installed in our own personal bikes and they were installed by a mechanic at the local
Honda dealership.
We are a parts warehouse, not a repair shop. You should not have to ask us for guidance. Anybody who takes on rebuilding an engine should own at least one workshop manual, either Honda, Clymer or Haynes.
Mon, Jan 23 2012 10:39pm
That is all fine and dandy.
Your head gasket had bolt holes that were too close together causing a resulting ridge of steel to be formed against the lower bolt holes when torqued down thus
preventing the heads from sealing correctly resulting in water leaks. I filed down the ridges and expanded the holes to fit the bolts, however the head gasket did
not reseal correctly resulting in water in my oil and water leaks
I purchased a new set of head-gaskets from Honda and had no issues with incorrect bolt hole alignment.
I want to return the head gaskets for a refund or a replacement with some head-gaskets which have been made to Honda spec.
Thanks for your time.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 10:46am - staff
The fact that you were able to install the head gaskets back in Dec. proves the bolt holes line up. FYI, the bolt holes are exactly in the same position on the
GL1000, GL1100 and GL1200 but the cylinder sizes were changed over the model years.
The fact that you had to ask for installation guidelines back in Dec. indicates that you do not have a workshop manual. Anybody who attempts a rebuild project such
as what you've taken on, based on the parts you purchased from us, should have at least one workshop manual.
The list of parts you purchase is a strong indication that the bike you own has been abused. Your cylinder heads and engine block may be very well be warped.
Hopefully your engine block is in good shape so we suggest you get to a machinist shop and have your cylinder heads milled. The surface must be absolutely PERFECT
for your head gaskets to make a lasting seal.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:30pm
You really should hire somebody who can read. I am aware that you really don't want to spend much money on support. However people who can read would be an asset.
If they could read they would have read....The genuine Honda gaskets fit and sealed well... no warped heads period no bad block, just bad gaskets. The rings were
replaced just because the engine came to me as an unknown unit and I wanted to have a look at the bottom end.. There was no abuse.. The only abuse is what I am
receiving from your support staff who cannot read.
Please send a pair of proper gaskets. I did not come to you for support in December, but at the time did not have any clue a reputable company would sell bad
gaskets. I have 3 manuals and have torn down 3 Goldwing engines. and have a 4th on my bench.. I am not an idiot.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:47pm - staff
A properly maintained HONDA engine NEVER, EVER requires replacement of piston rings. That engine was abused.
If you have a workshop manual then why did you ask on Sat, Dec 17 2011 1:53pm, "Do you have some guidelines to install these head gaskets?"
We don't understand why someone who has so many workshop manuals and experience would hit up so many forums for free information. Forums are sometimes a mind field of misinformation, as some of our customers and even the forum moderators have attested to.
Please review the sales policies you agreed to prior to placing your order. There is no return or exchange for consumable parts such as head gaskets.
We cannot be responsible for DIY installations. On ClassicGoldWings.com, you pubicly admitted to destroying your carburetor idle jet while cleaning - not an easy
thing to do.
I could have continued the debate but you can see how well it was going with them..
Just note the gaskets from Honda fit and worked 100%, never buy head gaskets from Saber Cycle and the carbs had sat with gas in them for 20 years and had to be replaced as they were not salvageable.. So I resorted to some extreme measure to clean.. nuff said..
Dec 17 2011 1:53pm
An update to my email of yesterday.. The head gaskets are not sized correctly the space between the upper and lower head bolts front and rear is too short and the
gasket is being forced into a ridge and preventing the heads from seating 100%.
If you could check this out and let me know what to do.
I could clean out the holes to fit and remove the ridge but this is kind of an aftermarket fix.
Mon, Dec 19 2011 11:26am - staff
The gaskets are gang punched in a permanent die fixture, and there is no
variance between any in our inventory. All match OEM samples we have on hand for quality control checking BEFORE we even OK a production lot.
Our head gaskets fit a stock piston bore. We have the very same head gaskets installed in our own personal bikes and they were installed by a mechanic at the local
Honda dealership.
We are a parts warehouse, not a repair shop. You should not have to ask us for guidance. Anybody who takes on rebuilding an engine should own at least one workshop manual, either Honda, Clymer or Haynes.
Mon, Jan 23 2012 10:39pm
That is all fine and dandy.
Your head gasket had bolt holes that were too close together causing a resulting ridge of steel to be formed against the lower bolt holes when torqued down thus
preventing the heads from sealing correctly resulting in water leaks. I filed down the ridges and expanded the holes to fit the bolts, however the head gasket did
not reseal correctly resulting in water in my oil and water leaks
I purchased a new set of head-gaskets from Honda and had no issues with incorrect bolt hole alignment.
I want to return the head gaskets for a refund or a replacement with some head-gaskets which have been made to Honda spec.
Thanks for your time.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 10:46am - staff
The fact that you were able to install the head gaskets back in Dec. proves the bolt holes line up. FYI, the bolt holes are exactly in the same position on the
GL1000, GL1100 and GL1200 but the cylinder sizes were changed over the model years.
The fact that you had to ask for installation guidelines back in Dec. indicates that you do not have a workshop manual. Anybody who attempts a rebuild project such
as what you've taken on, based on the parts you purchased from us, should have at least one workshop manual.
The list of parts you purchase is a strong indication that the bike you own has been abused. Your cylinder heads and engine block may be very well be warped.
Hopefully your engine block is in good shape so we suggest you get to a machinist shop and have your cylinder heads milled. The surface must be absolutely PERFECT
for your head gaskets to make a lasting seal.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:30pm
You really should hire somebody who can read. I am aware that you really don't want to spend much money on support. However people who can read would be an asset.
If they could read they would have read....The genuine Honda gaskets fit and sealed well... no warped heads period no bad block, just bad gaskets. The rings were
replaced just because the engine came to me as an unknown unit and I wanted to have a look at the bottom end.. There was no abuse.. The only abuse is what I am
receiving from your support staff who cannot read.
Please send a pair of proper gaskets. I did not come to you for support in December, but at the time did not have any clue a reputable company would sell bad
gaskets. I have 3 manuals and have torn down 3 Goldwing engines. and have a 4th on my bench.. I am not an idiot.
Tue, Jan 24 2012 12:47pm - staff
A properly maintained HONDA engine NEVER, EVER requires replacement of piston rings. That engine was abused.
If you have a workshop manual then why did you ask on Sat, Dec 17 2011 1:53pm, "Do you have some guidelines to install these head gaskets?"
We don't understand why someone who has so many workshop manuals and experience would hit up so many forums for free information. Forums are sometimes a mind field of misinformation, as some of our customers and even the forum moderators have attested to.
Please review the sales policies you agreed to prior to placing your order. There is no return or exchange for consumable parts such as head gaskets.
We cannot be responsible for DIY installations. On ClassicGoldWings.com, you pubicly admitted to destroying your carburetor idle jet while cleaning - not an easy
thing to do.
I could have continued the debate but you can see how well it was going with them..
Just note the gaskets from Honda fit and worked 100%, never buy head gaskets from Saber Cycle and the carbs had sat with gas in them for 20 years and had to be replaced as they were not salvageable.. So I resorted to some extreme measure to clean.. nuff said..
