oops, upset randakk..........

[aussiegold]

about a year ago i saw a video on youtube made by randakk , dealing with the removal and replacement of the rotor/ stator on the GL engine. he inserted little plastic straws in the rotor to hold the rollers back, in an attempt to fit the thing easier. there is no need to stick plastic things anywhere to get this thing on. his video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCbOwvNOo4

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCbOwvNOo4[/video]


This is a very straight forward thing to do. no special tools required ( although randakk did tell me in some correspondence that such a tool exists, but not available to ordinary folk) :beg:
So, i made my own little video , showing just how easy it is to remove/replace this part. handy to know if you should ever need to replace the starter clutch rollers/springs etc.my video is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zC2GjWeP7w

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zC2GjWeP7w[/video]

I do admit that my approach to this ( and randakk ) was sarcastic and i did ridicule him a bit on NGW. this was met with some displeasure from some members there , but in my view , he got it wrong. big time.
just the other day randakk must have spotted my video and my criticism of him. took a while. he took exception to being ridiculed
( fair enough , and i have since apologized) and started a thread on NGW on this subject.
strangely, just as things were getting warmed up, randakk made a post ( with some debatable points) and the thread was promptly locked , denying all and sundry from further debate. a common theme there, ( i have had threads of my own locked as well. )
so, i've had a bit of a laugh and had some odd comments from NGW folk, but the fact remains. please, please, please, dont put plastic straws in the rotor when doing that job. a foolish thing to do for several reasons, foremost, is the chance of leaving a bit of plastic in the roller area. Maurice.
.

 

[Omega Man]

Clearly they aren't needed. Some folks just get full of themselves and start believing their own bull****. Way to dispel the myth. :good: One of our chief goals here. :salute:

~O~

 

[slabghost]

Some self proclaimed authority figures have taken exception to the facts here as presented. Some have taken exception to being quoted too. Oh well.

 

[Ansimp]

Your just a $hitstirrer Maurice :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy:

 

[desertrefugee]

I kinda thought, too, that your alternative method was a good approach. While your delivery might have been ... uh, lacking, the intent and technique offered a really viable alternative.

As stated, it is not uncommon for human beings to feel they've become "unassailable" having once reached a certain level of respect and credibility. There's always a way to build a better mousetrap.

I saw the dialog unfolding. Too bad it couldn't have been a positive experience from the outset.

 

[julimike54]

Someone after my heart, upset the apple cart with the facts!

 

[dan filipi]

Omega Man » Yesterday, 9:59 pm[/url]":jp6hjxf5]
Clearly they aren't needed. Some folks just get full of themselves and start believing their own bull****. Way to dispel the myth. :good: One of our chief goals here. :salute:

~O~

You betcha.

 

[aussiegold]

desertrefugee » Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:33 pm[/url]":2erkty1z]
I kinda thought, too, that your alternative method was a good approach. While your delivery might have been ... uh, lacking, the intent and technique offered a really viable alternative.

As stated, it is not uncommon for human beings to feel they've become "unassailable" having once reached a certain level of respect and credibility. There's always a way to build a better mousetrap.

I saw the dialog unfolding. Too bad it couldn't have been a positive experience from the outset.

well, the way i do it is not actually an alternative way. it's just the way it is done. also , it's not my way. if you know what i mean.
randakk just came up with a brilliant solution to a problem that never existed. :headscratch:

and the delivery ..... :blush: well lets just say the final video cut was far less colourful than the first . i got a bit steamed up.
my mistake was focusing on the man and not the deed.
lastly, i hope that this has been a positive exercise, because if i can convince just one person, not to potentially do some damage then thats a good thing. have a squiz at the last straw mr randakk removes from the rotor and holds up to the camera .the end of it is mangled. that is what bothered me. a chance ( slim ) of leaving debris in the roller..
ps
Ansimp may be onto something....... :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy:

 

[buffdaddy56]

:clapping: I love it when a " do it this way or else" approach is debunked. Mightycorp does not know everything and I applaud your setting the record straight. :wave:

 

[Omega Man]

Just waiting for, we'll you know. I'm sure this is being PM'd or emailed to him on some other forum. "Hey look what I found over at CGW!" Who would of thought there is so much drama on Wingworld. :smilie_happy:

 

[AApple]

A sprag type clutch, which is what this is, can always be installed/assembled by simply rotating either the inner or outer race. The "straw" method seems to add two steps to an otherwise un-complicated job. BOTH methods work, but simply spinning the starter gear to engage the rollers is far easier & quicker than placing straws to hold the rollers, then fishing the straws out afterward. One is not better than the other...just easier. :whistling:

 

[Omega Man]

AApple » Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:58 am[/url]":2uxzl3po]
:whistling:

:smilie_happy:

 

[slabghost]

I suppose you could just super glue the rollers to the outside for install then rinse with acetone too. Sometimes there are several roads to the same destination.

 

[Omega Man]

One could spray some of my grandma's Aqua Net on the bearings but on second thought that bond may be too strong. :headscratch: That stuff is rated to hold through an F5 tornado.

 

[slabghost]

Omega Man » Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:08 am[/url]":2ui9iaoj]
One could spray some of my grandma's Aqua Net on the bearings but on second thought that bond may be too strong. :headscratch: That stuff is rated to hold through an F5 tornado.

:smilie_happy: Ain't that the truth! :smilie_happy:
Used to hold on grips it gets really tough getting them back off.

 

[Ansimp]

Omega Man » Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:08 am[/url]":w37hp5f5]
One could spray some of my grandma's Aqua Net on the bearings but on second thought that bond may be too strong. :headscratch: That stuff is rated to hold through an F5 tornado.

:smilie_happy: :smilie_happy: :clapping: :clapping: :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy:

 

[Randakk]

aussiegold » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:06 pm[/url]":1dykge3h]
about a year ago i saw a video on youtube made by randakk , dealing with the removal and replacement of the rotor/ stator on the GL engine. he inserted little plastic straws in the rotor to hold the rollers back, in an attempt to fit the thing easier. there is no need to stick plastic things anywhere to get this thing on. his video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCbOwvNOo4

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JCbOwvNOo4[/video]


This is a very straight forward thing to do. no special tools required ( although randakk did tell me in some correspondence that such a tool exists, but not available to ordinary folk) :beg:
So, i made my own little video , showing just how easy it is to remove/replace this part. handy to know if you should ever need to replace the starter clutch rollers/springs etc.my video is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zC2GjWeP7w

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zC2GjWeP7w[/video]

I do admit that my approach to this ( and randakk ) was sarcastic and i did ridicule him a bit on NGW. this was met with some displeasure from some members there , but in my view , he got it wrong. big time.
just the other day randakk must have spotted my video and my criticism of him. took a while. he took exception to being ridiculed
( fair enough , and i have since apologized) and started a thread on NGW on this subject.
strangely, just as things were getting warmed up, randakk made a post ( with some debatable points) and the thread was promptly locked , denying all and sundry from further debate. a common theme there, ( i have had threads of my own locked as well. )
so, i've had a bit of a laugh and had some odd comments from NGW folk, but the fact remains. please, please, please, dont put plastic straws in the rotor when doing that job. a foolish thing to do for several reasons, foremost, is the chance of leaving a bit of plastic in the roller area. Maurice.
.

Righto. Apology accepted. Thanks much.

 

[ekvh]

Since this thread hasn't been locked yet, there are some comments here about self- proclaimed experts, but the only one I've seen "self" proclaimed is Aussiegold. Perhaps his "mentor to goldwing gurus" is tongue-in-cheek, but it certainly implies that he thinks he's higher than others. Don't get me wrong on this, I have enjoyed very much the videos made and shared by him.

I guess there is a chance a piece of plastic could get somewhere and cause problems, but I can't think of where. Guys lose them into intakes more often than you'd think. Anywhere it goes, it is likely to be shredded to bits, possibly melt, likely end up in the oil strainer or filter. Some shreds of plastic doing damage? The more I think about it, the less likely I think it could hurt anything.

So this has become a big deal about nothing! Randakk never said it was the only way. What now, should we start a new forum? Gentlemen, we need each other. I thought forums like this and others were about helping each other out in keeping our old Wings going.

I'm not looking for a fight. I respect different opinions. I don't have the knowledge to fix my Wings on my own, and I need advice from anyone who'll give it. I rely on NGW, here, and Saunders. There are more good sites but I just don't have time to keep up with them all. There are probably a few here who are truly experts, but I think the vast majority seldom post and just read and glean info needed to repair their bikes. This us-against-them mentality is driving some of the experts away.

 

[dan filipi]

I don't see any reason for this thread to be locked.....and certainly not because NGW locked the same thread over there.

Everybody has their own opinions, some may be perceived in a harsh or hostile way but the fact remains....there are more than one way to get the job done and everyone is entitled to voice their way.

 

[Omega Man]

A little humor never hurt anyone either. :read:

We've proved this time and time again. Weta big part of our tightness comes from teasing one another.

I guess some folks are just wound too tightly.