putting to charge in hooch

[joedrum]

leads look okay to me lots of black ..burnt oil paint id say

shaky camera pic hmmm

okay that's the best I could do

 

[joedrum]

1100 rotor shot and how it hooks up

1200 and its rotor and hook up not ...there different ....way things are going I don't have to go any further here just wanted to show the difference

 

[Ansimp]

Your first photo shows where the flex wires were initially joined to the windings. That is where I would start my new silicon wires from. once joined and insulated I would normally epoxy them in place to eliminate fatigue fractures from vibration

 

[Ansimp]

As someone mentioned it is the magnetic field strength of the rotor that can increase out put ( also different windings of the stator)

 

[joedrum]

yes dan in the pic you arrowed id say your exactly right ...the grommet itself was an heat sink so to speak and the wires didn't distort nuch but as soon as it was out of the grommet it was so hot it cook the isulation big time ...and you risistance in the splice barrles are the guilty party ....I think the wwires on insdie are good looking from the oilbath to cool them but im thinking there was some super heat going on inside too the kind to make oil like baked on paint ...im goin to try and fix the 1200 stator as per ansimp advice but hooch is going to get the 1100 rotor as I think the best move now for hooch

 

[mcgovern61]

I have to wonder....what is the reason for the splice and couplings in the first place? Why not run the wires continuous?

 

[joedrum]

now that ive looked at everything jerry ...the only reason for splicing the wires was for making the grommet go together quicker for production period ....just outside that grommet is the weak spot that's takes out all oldwing stators 1200 or 1100s and 1000s ...not like they don't have problems ....and until now a well hidden flaw ...it was completely stupid to do this without one advantage .....deeper in the stator design it dont get any better .....having all the leads come together in one spot on the stator causes huge heat unbalance in the stator ....and the three tower coils right there together handle load heat delivery while the rest of the stator runs cooler ....im sure when things get bad and resistance is high enough the stator failes right in the three towers ...good design anything three phase....load should be separated in 1/3 circle around stator as this distribute load an heat perfectly around the stator ....anything different is downgrade bigtime ....and the way these stators are done is the bottom of the barrel in design ...and just design to fail ....I guess the thought the stators were so small that they could make them anyway they want and be okay ...they were wrong

well at least classic Goldwing and our group attack on the stator issue in hooch has pulled the covers off this problem of oldwing stators ....

bottom line when you engineer in resistance to a design ...there a huge problem in hving lesds right next to each other period ...let alone doing that anyway is not good engineering period ...dumb built stators sheesh

 

[joedrum]

I guess everything on hold till I track down an impact driver ....just total bs .theres not one purpose to use screws here than just to make it difficult ...not one reason at all .... :rant:

 

[dan filipi]

Yeah Honda sure liked the Phillips head screws :mischief:

 

[mcgovern61]

Stop moaning Joe!! A Dremmel takes those bolt heads off real easy! :smilie_happy:

 

[joedrum]

okay ill stop ranting and get the dam thing out jerry ...im okay about it... I just wanted everyone to know the hitches in this job ...plus root causes of what so much trouble here with these stators are ...I don't think anyone can not see what I think about the deal ...im sure its appreciated to ones that have this job to do that rough spots are well put across .... :hihihi: :yes: :mrgreen:

 

[Steve83]

Annoying as they may be, these stators are 30+ years old, and many of them are still working fine. I've never had an alternator last this long in any vehicle. They definately could've been designed better, but I've seen much worse! I'm with you on the philips screws - it seems pointless for them not to use hex bolts...

 

[dan filipi]

Almost like it was intensionally made hard to work on with Phillips screws.

 

[joedrum]

pic of screw removing with drill ..nice slow speed one an variable ...oil for cutting bess bit to use is one same size or slightly bigger....you have to go slow and no pressure at first to get the bit past Phillips edges ..but after that it self centering if you don't do something wrong .... its best to go slow in speed it much easier and cut well

don't forget to take circlip out

two had to be drilled one I got with these super nice channel locks best I ever had

 

[joedrum]

after removal from 1100 case

1100strator out

1100 stator in 1200 butt cover

 

[dan filipi]

Butt cover :smilie_happy:

 

[Ansimp]

Otherwise it would be naked!

 

[joedrum]

well got side tracked yesterday in the afternoon time ...and didn't get much further but im out now to move things along

 

[Manila]

Are you going or have you had a stator rewound locally? I installed a new one but it was probably Made in China so I have my doubts about longevity.

 

[joedrum]

no the stator im using is a known good one from a 1100 ...I really don't see how china could do it any worst than Honda did ....new stators going out is for the sme reasons the Honda one did ...there too much resistance in the old wiring and connectors backing heat into the stator ...and it cant get rid of it ....theres more to fixing charging problem that part switch out for it to last ...people always blame the wrong thing ...im not pushing the china stators either never had one ever ....