Starting up a stored 87 Wing

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Basimpo1

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Ok I stored my Wing in August I drove it into storage, about a month after that i started it up fine then it sat for 3 months, and now i cant get it to turn over. Im thinking maybe if i drain the carbs and the tank and refuel with a high octane gas (I know that my Wing runs better on the lower octane stuff) and maybe some seafoam.
So far ive put seafoam into the current tank of old gas and tried starting her up. Im fairly confident that the fuel pump works and just to double check i made sure it turned over (or whatever it does in its mysterious casing) when i hit the starter button. The bikes in nuetral, the on/off switch is in the correct position, the fuel petcock is in the on position and ive both opened the gastank and left it shut when starting. (After sitting for a while or after falling over ive learned to open the cap) The battery IS dead, but ive been jumping it with a car (Not the brightest i know, but its worked before and i dont want to go out and buy a new battery after i got scammed into buying a 200 dollar battery for my Wing and its barely 12 months old.) Its dead because i installed a radio system with an alarm feature so the 3 months it sat untended let it drain out. Nothing i dont think some 3 dollar battery acid cant fix. When i hit the starter i hear the starter turn over healthily.
What i dont hear is the engine crank.
So what im thinking about doing tomorrow is:
Drain the carbs
Drain the tank
Give it a push around the neighborhood in third or 2nd gear as if im trying to bump start (not to start it, but to loosen the engine up)
Get new high octane gas
Put seafoam in the tank
Check and make sure fuel is actually coming out of the petcock
Cuss up a storm

Some issues i anticipate:
Im not 100% sure how to drain the carbs. I think i found the flat head bronze colored drain screws right inbetween the 2 air manifolds on either side, but im also afraid those are like pilot screws or something. Could someone maybe post a picture of their 1200 or even 1100's carb drain screws? Id really appreciate it
Im not sure the choke cable works. When i use it i get no resistance like you would expect and i think this is from the shop in augusta screwing it up. Id be happy to hear the bike want to turn over and cant because of a less rich fuel/air mixture than not turn over at all.

Thats about it i believe. Im trying to avoid taking the bike apart and removing the carbs and rebuilding them im hoping because it only sat a couple of months this time instead of 4 years that the solution will be easier. Any pictures or helpful hints would be EXTREMELY appreciated. Thankyou for you time
Merry Christmas!
 
First off the very first thing I would do is remove the spark plugs and stop trying to crank it over.
I suspect the cylinders to be hydrolocked with raw fuel and trying to crank it over with raw fuel could bend a piston rod.

Also don't have the car running when jumping it, that can burn out electronics.
Better to use a fully charged bike battery.

After removing the plugs try cranking it over.
There may be raw fuel spray out so watch your eyes and face.

After you've done that let us know what you found.
 
Put a battery charger on it. DO NOT USE OVER TWO AMPS to charge it. Be patient and let it charge. If and when you do jump it from a car. DO NOT HAVE THE CAR RUNNING!!! You can fry your wiring.Did you just change the oil? If you did which oil exactly did you use? Don't drain the fuel or carbs just yet.
 
Whoaaaa....slow down there son! (Too much coffee? You went from driving the wing into storage to just about rebuilding the engine!! :smilie_happy: JK)

Start with the simple things first! Wing in storage....was running.....coming out of storage....dead battery. I agree that first thing to do is get the battery charged (that whole starting with a car is really bad for these electrical systems). Like Dan said...pull the plugs and see if you can crank. (Stand clear...I suspect you will get sprayed :smilie_happy: ) Was the fuel petcock shutoff while the bike was in storage? If there was a full tank of gas, it could easily have leaked down into the engine (had that happen several times).

When you say that you hit the starter and it is turning over healthy...do you mean the whole engine is turning over but not starting or the starter is spinning and not turning over the engine?
 
Ok after finding out that i have every conceivable ratchet from an ity bity tiny one to one ginormous one that you would commonly find on spaceships to repair satellites ive found out that i DONT have the one i need to use with my socket that removes sparkplugs, so until i do get it, fixing that bikes on hold :\. But also no, i have drained anything. The last time a changed my oil was a year ago just about and i added seafoam to my tank of oil and i dont remember the viscosity of the oil i used :p Probaly 10w 30 but im just shooting from the hip on that number.
 
mcgovern61":1hvbci31 said:
Whoaaaa....slow down there son! (Too much coffee? You went from driving the wing into storage to just about rebuilding the engine!! :smilie_happy: JK)

Start with the simple things first! Wing in storage....was running.....coming out of storage....dead battery. I agree that first thing to do is get the battery charged (that whole starting with a car is really bad for these electrical systems). Like Dan said...pull the plugs and see if you can crank. (Stand clear...I suspect you will get sprayed :smilie_happy: ) Was the fuel petcock shutoff while the bike was in storage? If there was a full tank of gas, it could easily have leaked down into the engine (had that happen several times).

When you say that you hit the starter and it is turning over healthy...do you mean the whole engine is turning over but not starting or the starter is spinning and not turning over the engine?


Ha right? The petcock was off. When i hit the starter the starter turns over and not turning the engine, although sometimes i see the rpms jump which im assuming the engine is turning over a little bit.
 
Thinwall 5/8 deepwell socket I think will get the plugs out not certain though. You do have the battery on a charger now don't you?
 
slabghost":16mgduzc said:
Thinwall 5/8 deepwell socket I think will get the plugs out not certain though. You do have the battery on a charger now don't you?

I have the socket just not the ratchet that fits it. I dont have a charger :p So ill be hitting up autozone for a 3 dollar thing of battery acid to refill my battery and at the same time ill be dropping it off there to be charged :p
 
dan filipi":lvve2gs9 said:
I'm not certain but I believe only distilled water should be put in a battery, the acid is already there.

Right? Thats what i thought, but it was the autozone guy who suggested adding acid to it but ill take your advice over theirs!
 
Basimpo1":hgzd6vq5 said:
dan filipi":hgzd6vq5 said:
I'm not certain but I believe only distilled water should be put in a battery, the acid is already there.

Right? Thats what i thought, but it was the autozone guy who suggested adding acid to it but ill take your advice over theirs!
Consider the source, they are trying to sell you something.
 
dan filipi":30qe72k2 said:
Basimpo1":30qe72k2 said:
dan filipi":30qe72k2 said:
I'm not certain but I believe only distilled water should be put in a battery, the acid is already there.

Right? Thats what i thought, but it was the autozone guy who suggested adding acid to it but ill take your advice over theirs!
Consider the source, they are trying to sell you something.

Good Point!
 
Better to buy a battery tender and use it a few times a month. Those guys know car batteries and those can take 10 or more amps charging. Bike batteries charged over 2amp risk internal plates warping and shorting out. Killing the battery.
 
Gotcha yeah ill definately be sticking with just charging it. Found i have a sparkplug puller from the kit that was included in my 06 c50 so ill be using that here in a bit when the wife gets home from day after christmas shopping :p
 
OK so i removed all four spark plugs and ran the bike around in 2nd and 3rd gear and it was boneeee dry but the pistons definately were working fine. Also the spark plugs from about a year ago and ran for about 200ish miles looked brand new (of course) So i tested the flow from the petcock to the fuel pump and realized that the petcock got jammed after unplugging that (sediment i suspect) i tried starting it again and now its sounding like its wanting to start. Any clues from here? Should i take the plugs out again? Im about to drain the tank and replace the gas (easy 5 minutes) and try again. Thanks a lot!
 
Let me get this clear. Battery is still dead. Your dragging it around in gear with the plugs out. Your fuel line is plugged and you still are trying to start it?
Clear the fuel line, charge the battery - fully. Have you considered a few beers and a bit less caffeine?
 
slabghost":hukxcwk2 said:
Let me get this clear. Battery is still dead. Your dragging it around in gear with the plugs out. Your fuel line is plugged and you still are trying to start it?
Clear the fuel line, charge the battery - fully. Have you considered a few beers and a bit less caffeine?

Haha i guess i do drink lots of coffee! But i just drained the tank (mostly, 2 2-liters of gas) and everytime after a few moments of draining the petcock would get plugged (on the inside of the tank, not the petcock itself) we looked at the gas and there was a blob of water but not much sediment in it. Im gonna try draining the tank all the way in the morning as best as i can and maybe if its not too wet run my vacuum (its a damn good vacuum) in the tank and suck up any ick in there. But yeah now the batterys charged and when i clear the petcock, should i take the plugs out again and try and turn over the engine or do you think its good? After i turned over the motor with the plugs out and after i cleared the fuel line temporarily the bike kinda sorta sounded like it wanted to turn over. Before when i hit the starter it did a vrum, vrumvrum, vrum. Now with some gas going to hit its a constant sound and the cylinders are firing but it seems kinda starved for gas (right, answer my own question duh but). The gas thing, when i was draining it: With the cap tightly screwed on, i had to blow into the petcock to get it to drain for a bit, then repeat (my shirt, face and pavement testify that gas came out) with the cap off though, no matter how much i blew into the petcock (ha ha i sense a joke here) no gas would come out, id just here it bubbling in the tank.
Any suggestions for me when it hits 0light30?
Thankyou!
 

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