Why single carb?

[dan filipi]

There's been plenty of slamming of the stock carbs and wrongly so.
Stock carbs in good condition perform amazing well.
After riding Steve83's rebuilt 1983 with 1000 carbs and feeling the potential from the stock carbs, I humbly disagree with slamming the stock carbs.

When it comes to putting a single carb, there is lots of tinkering and it can be the same with the stock carbs. When we come into real issues is when the carbs are beyond repair.

As far as Honda support for a 30+ year old bike, how long can we expect ANY manufacturer to support anything.

There are shortcomings in both ways feeding a fuel/air mixture to the engine.
Personal preference.

 

[ekvh]

Well put, Dan.

 

[Ansimp]

+1 on happy with stock carbies.
The main advantage of the single carb I see is cost. I would happily buy 4 new honda carbies if I could pick them up for $100 ea ( the cost of the single 2 barrel carby). Then there is the new location that means even if the float seat was faulty you can't flood the engine if the fuel was left on. I do miss an accelerator pump as well, you can cheat choke circuits and lack of fuel in the bowls ( from sitting too long) with a couple of squirts.

 

[dan filipi]

Also ya know, I've always liked to tinker with stuff.
The single has been great for that.
What I like most about a single, this weber 32/32 specifically is it's soooo easy to work on.
The carb top can be pulled and damn near rebuilt while it's on the bike, but mostly I've had fun playing in the garage sitting on my little stool next to the bike with the Dremel and tools on the floor next to me building the runners and fitting everything. It sure was a pleasure when I first started the bike on the single to have it fire up and run smooth.
I built it all with my own hands and that achievement for me and how I felt at that very moment is nothing that a stock rack could ever duplicate because I didn't create it myself.
This is how I am and I'm sure others will agree, there is just nothing more satisfying than building something with your own hands, stepping back and saying "Yeah baby, I did that" Even if it's just me talking to myself alone in the garage.

 

[joedrum]

hmmmm my first choice was always stock 75 carb rack for my bike build .. ididnt change that though always had non stock carb systems in mind ... like the weber dual set ups and the weber single 2 barrels set ups ....

but when the stock racks that were known good didnt work on it something different had to be found ... as i began to relies that stock carb windows of working on a bike like mine was not going to happen easy ... then came the single witch truely is a non dependent carb system ....and flexable enough to operate my bike ...

as dan said there something about doing your own ... and also theres something to knowing that most mass produced stuff is not the best ... but the most productive thing to in the liabilities place on the product they put out from many numbers of regulations that have nothing to do with carbs being at there best engineering

 

[slabghost]

Okay not really defending the slamming exactly but manufacturers of all types of vehicles almost never consider "best" performance in designing their vehicles. If they did would there be any aftermarket performance parts? Much defense of stock parts I believe comes from a perceived belief that manufacturers with all their resources have designed what works "best". When in fact they accept what works acceptably within their budget and performance goals. We generally have different goals. Simplicity, ease of adjustment, best performance, ease of maintenance. Owner, operator goals differ greatly from those of the manufacturers. I will never say the stock parts are better than custom nor will I say all custom parts are better than stock. If your goal is to have a machine that runs like "new" then fix the stock parts. If your goal is different then maybe you need to consider different parts. In every stock machine there is always untapped potential. If you want stock we'll help fix it. If you want to do something totally different. We'll help you there too. I'm not slamming stock parts if I've found something I like better and call the parts I removed "junk". I'm just saying how much more I like my choice. As I'm sure others are doing when the "slam" stock carbs, tires, whatever. Come on folks. Are you really so sensitive that you take offense at nothing? If I'm offended by the color you choose to paint your bike will you apologize and repaint it? If I'm a metzler fan will you refrain from choosing shinko? Or bragging your bridgestone tires are so nice? Lets just help one another and recognize we are all different. :thanks:

 

[joedrum]

A+ post

 

[Dusterdude]

I agree with sg,you ought to hear the guys on the sohc forum defending honda as using the best parts for the job.as we know,buliding and selling motorcycles is a dance between yen and practicality


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[mcgovern61]

slabghost » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:08 pm[/url]":3io3hhxy]
Are you really so sensitive that you take offense at nothing? If I'm offended by the color you choose to paint your bike will you apologize and repaint it? If I'm a metzler fan will you refrain from choosing shinko? Or bragging your bridgestone tires are so nice? Lets just help one another and recognize we are all different. :thanks:

V, I was with you up until you picked on the Bridgestones!! :whip: :rant:

:smilie_happy: :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy:

 

[Ansimp]

I was tearing up until I got confused as I am running both Metzler and Shinko :smilie_happy:

 

[slabghost]

Ansimp » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:56 pm[/url]":1ngu8hqt]
I was tearing up until I got confused as I am running both Metzler and Shinko :smilie_happy:

BLASPHEMY!! These bikes all came with matching tires! How dare you mix brands! :rtfm: oh2:
:smilie_happy: :smilie_happy: :smilie_happy: :thanks:

 

[Ansimp]

That's what happens when you have too much fun riding around LA and then up to Sturgis and back, you wear out a rear Shinko 230 in 6k of hard miles.

 

[bronko37]

I understand the feeling you get when you do something yourself. As a machinist i am able to make and repair lots of parts for these old bikes. When it came to the carbs i decided to go stock and decided to do it myself after much deliberation. I am a fairly mechanical guy from my trade but i am not handy on motors and especially not carbs. I have never worked on a carb before so this was a huge undertaking and a little intimidating for me. I practiced over the winter by working on my snow blowers carb. I figured, if i cant work on a damn snow blower i sure as hell cant fix a complex multi carb set up.

After success with the snow blower i decided to finally tackle the non proper running bike that i got off ebay. I got the bike for $750 and it had a lot of work done by the PO but still ran like crap. Hard start, won't run without the choke, won't run at lower than 3k rpm.

I did the carb work and took lots of time to be sure it was perfect. Took nearly 4 weeks before i was ready to get it back on the bike. Got it on, filled every thing with gas and tried to start it up. Same crap. Hard starting needs choke, blah blah. I knew it wasn't the carbs. It couldn't be, could it? Im inexperienced but i know i did a job that even Randakk would be proud of.

I went to my forum, Steve Saunders goldwing facts, and started asking questions about the ignition system after explaining my problem. Everyone, including our buddy captain midnight said that i had screwed up and to pull the carb rack. I refused and started searching the obvious stuff.

One of the points was not gapped at all! It did not open when the cam spun. I though, i found the gremlin! Threw a .016" gap and it fired right up. Idled down to 1k rpm with no choke. I was able to ride the bike for the first time since i bought it in February. This was 2 weeks ago.

It felt unbelievable to conquer that carb rack, correctly, the first time. I just need timing and a carb sync to make it perfect but it already runs well. I know the feeling of the do it yourselfer and will never take my bike to a dealer again. Nore will i listen when people swear if there is am issue you must pull the carb rack. Not true. Start with the obvious stuff.

 

[slabghost]

We try here to cover the easy stuff first. Congratulations on several jobs well done and getting her Ready to ride.

 

[Joep]

Yeah I push the kiss principle.. go cheapest first.. check gaps, point conditions, plugs, timing, valves, carb sync.. these cost mostly time and not money.. then move up the cost ladder... filters, replace plugs, points, timing belts then the expensive.. carbs rebuild

 

[dan filipi]

Yep, often times the whole problem can be caused by a loose wire.

 

[Ansimp]

It's good when you can resist the urge to second guess yourself. :good: The only problem now is the older I get the more chance there is of finding a lapse in concentration... :head bang:

 

[bronko37]

The carbs definitely needed the work i did. But they sure as hell didnt need work after i was in em. The orings that were in the carb were sheared bad or missing. Looks like they were bought at the hardware store. They used what was close instead of what was right. Them carbs are perfect now.

 

[Ansimp]

:hi: :clapping: :good: