hooch c5 iggy test at meet and greet aug..3-4

[joedrum]

man the c5 is running great on hooch...... ive about got the carb system up and going ......and im hoping to match hooches timing so far im on the aggressive advance curve paul made during the meet ... the carb system seems to be right there .. got it to idle at 900rpm just before sun down ...still a lot to do but its going to the next level now .... this thing is revving sweet and even all the way around ... you here that in the smoothness ... im really sold on the sold on the c5 as the best after market product out there ...sorry its taken so long for me to figure this all out .. its been a battle to get a good carb out of these junk carbs I had to work with and to get them adjustable without destroying the carb body ...always rough when you go in blind and info is not quite right to go on

 

[dan filipi]

Hey Joe, I don't think you've posted that your working on a single carb setup on hooch yet.
Or did you and I missed it?

 

[westgl]

Joe

That Cats out of the bag all you can do now is post pictures, lots of pictures

 

[C5Performance]

Dan can't do an 1100 test because we are shipping it tomorrow We had to make a few manufacturing adjustments on the spacer rings and I was not shipping them until satisfied with the fit. Sorry for the delay but quality is important to us.

This weekend Dan will have his ignition in hand.

 

[joedrum]

im going to start a thread maybe tomorrow....ive got some pics ....it still needs lots of work and some funds now ..but it pass the test to move on in hooch fashion ... this is the last piece of the hooch puzzle I hope .. and its aggressive ... most havnt done well with single carb customs but I gambled and put cave tech to work........

and im thinking ive got it close

 

[westgl]

Great going Joe,

I will be very interested in seeing that single carb. setup.

Speaking of single carb conversions

I have a Weber 32DFT, 2brl carb on it's way, it is a 32x32 progressive carb.

I also have a type IV VW manifold, in the shop awaiting the carb., along with some alum tube runners on their way to me should have them all by next week I hope.

I will be interested in seeing if Dan has that C5 Iggy yet, and his take on it on his 83' GL1100, cause that may be a close 2nd upgrade to my

83' GL1100.

Question? Does the C5 Iggy do away with the Vacuum advance on the GL1100?

 

[westgl]

When are the front engine mounted G5 iggy for the GL1100, going to be available?

That would be really a major convenience.

Dan is that what they are sending you?

I wonder if the G5 for the 83' GL1100, would work in a 84' GL1200, since it has the same elec. timing at the rear location of the engine like the 83' GL1100.

I have a 84' GL1200 that could use a G5 on it too, But, I am not sure if it would work or not.

Also I have a 86' GL1200, it has the elec. timing in the front of the engine, will those be available soon? I will bet that would really wake my 86' GL1200 up.

 

[dan filipi]

westgl » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:06 pm[/url]":nvn652xr]
When are the front engine mounted G5 iggy for the GL1100, going to be available?

That would be really a major convenience.

Dan is that what they are sending you?

I wonder if the G5 for the 83' GL1100, would work in a 84' GL1200, since it has the same elec. timing at the rear location of the engine like the 83' GL1100.

I have a 84' GL1200 that could use a G5 on it too, But, I am not sure if it would work or not.

Also I have a 86' GL1200, it has the elec. timing in the front of the engine, will those be available soon? I will bet that would really wake my 86' GL1200 up.

I'm getting the rear mounted C5.
Yes it does away with the vacuum advance.
This same kit should work on an 84 1200.

 

[joedrum]

it will work on 1200 if you replace the 84 rear iggy unit with 1100 one as this is the one the c5 5 is made to fit... its a plug and play switch for the most part

 

[westgl]

I am not sure what is involved in switching and what needs to be switched?

I'm so far out on the edge of my seat that i'm about to fall off the chair. opcorn:

 

[westgl]

Joe did i read in the recent past that you replaced your stator on hooch?

With a single 2brl carb you have a lot of room up front.

The reason i ask, I am not sure about this, just asking the question.

As i have been thinking of this lately.

If you are going to a single carb. like I am and if it works out well for you.

you could do the Chevy alternator mod, with the 5" dia. front pulley that charges at idle that is posted on NGW site. single carb would provide plenty of room.

My question is,

If the (Chevy/Geo metro) alternator was repositioned to the front of the engine, would it be beneficial in reducing the reciprocating mass by removing the OEM Honda Alternator Rotor, but leave the starter clutch and Flywheel (Clutch is essential for starting)

Link to Chevy alt. Mod
https://ngwclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41463

Tractor supply Pulley

https://www.tractorsupply.com/webapp/wcs ... &viewType=

I wonder how much that OEM Honda Alternator Rotor weighs and if it would make that much a of a difference in reving the engine, and going through the gears under load.

I have no idea if the magnetic pull takes any power to pull it, + the rotating mass and parasitic loss, would be enough to justify it as a hot rod to do item.

Drilling out the rivets that hold the Alternator Rotor to the Flywheel, keep the Flywheel and remove the Alternator rotor, the flywheel could be lightened some as well.

 

[joedrum]

hmmm

 

[westgl]

Had a 70' Bug that I built a 1835cc engine, with 042 large valve heads.

I had the flywheel lightened and balanced, 8 doweled (stock was 4 dowels), Flywheel went from 18-Lbs down to 10-Lbs, that 8-Lbs loss made it rev nicely, it sounded really good, it had dual 44 weber carbs on it.

With lightening a flywheel there is a point of no return, I have no idea where that is.

But in looking at the Alternator Rotor/Flywheel, and imagine the removal of the Alt. Rotor, the back side of the fly wheel has a fairly deep weighted ridge that goes back toward the starter clutch assembly.

That would be a good place to remove material.

You could statically balance the flywheel afterward.

 

[dan filipi]

Westgl, intresting stuff of the Chevy alternator worth a thread all its own so we don't get off track from Joe's hooch.

:thanks:

 

[C5Performance]

westgl » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:06 pm[/url]":26n2qqz3]
When are the front engine mounted G5 iggy for the GL1100, going to be available?

That would be really a major convenience.

Dan is that what they are sending you?

I wonder if the G5 for the 83' GL1100, would work in a 84' GL1200, since it has the same elec. timing at the rear location of the engine like the 83' GL1100.

I have a 84' GL1200 that could use a G5 on it too, But, I am not sure if it would work or not.

Also I have a 86' GL1200, it has the elec. timing in the front of the engine, will those be available soon? I will bet that would really wake my 86' GL1200 up.

The idea of a front mounted ignition came up at Joe's meet & great when Slabghost and I were trying to decide where it could be mounted on the GL1200 '85 and newer. We have not started on that project and probably wont until winter. I was recently told the '84 housing is shaped different but the shaft is the same diameter and length. If that's the case, our 1100 kit might slip right into the '84 1200 engine.

I'm going to finish up these 1100 kits and a few other projects before starting any more. We are also knee deep in automobile kits (any hot rodders out there?). We are going to see how well the 1100 kit sells before moving to the 1200. Dont forget, we'll have the GL1500/Valkyrie kit coming out next.

 

[mcgovern61]

Dont forget, we'll have the GL1500/Valkyrie kit coming out next.

Paul, if I put the Valkyrie kit on my 1100 will it feel like 6 cylinders?! :smilie_happy: (Sorry......had to do it!) :hihihi:

 

[joedrum]

well in my opinion westgl it isn't the reason for loss of snap in oldwigs or never had snappy thottle ...it is and always has been carbs and lousy ignition system ... cv carbs by design have lag time.... to me it didn't seem to bad the rotor as far as weigh gose to really do anything ...im sure it would something but oldwing have other areas to get snap in bigger chunks than here......

yes there lots of space now with the single but I like that ....as long as my stator works good and stator prices stay reasonable im keeping the space open for access and better cooling ....plus it heats up the intake some with heat shield and all removed like mine is .....

 

[Ansimp]

Stored energy has an advantage when you don't want to downshift and use torque of the engine to continue your climb. Lightened flywheels may make it easier to spin up the revs but they also make it quicker to drop off. If you want to lighten your wing empty the saddle bags or if you are built like me try and loose a few of those extra pounds or 50.. :yes:

 

[dan filipi]

Ansimp » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:43 am[/url]":3p4thzm7]
Stored energy has an advantage when you don't want to downshift and use torque of the engine to continue your climb. Lightened flywheels may make it easier to spin up the revs but they also make it quicker to drop off. If you want to lighten your wing empty the saddle bags or if you are built like me try and loose a few of those extra pounds or 50.. :yes:

Good explanation.
The inertial weight of the rotor spinning is an advantage in a cruiser, not a drawback.

 

[toytender01]

Yes that is proven om dirt bikes. four strokes have better pulling power over two strokes..... :mrgreen: