Hooch testing and C5 ignition setup and programming

[dan filipi]

KYWinger » Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:58 am[/url]":26wzq2h7]
Paul, Dan or Joe:

On an 1100, do I have to yank the motor to install the c5?
If the answer is yes, would it be better/cheaper/easier to install 1000 heads?

Inquiring minds need to know........

Paul?

 

[AApple]

KYWinger » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:58 am[/url]":18mslrt7]
On an 1100, do I have to yank the motor to install the c5?

From what I unnerstand, the simple answer is "No". You will need to remove the swing arm to gain access to the pulse generator, tho....which is easier than yankin the engine out.... :mrgreen:

 

[mcgovern61]

AApple » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:06 am[/url]":155unday]

KYWinger » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:58 am[/url]":155unday]
On an 1100, do I have to yank the motor to install the c5?

From what I unnerstand, the simple answer is "No". You will need to remove the swing arm to gain access to the pulse generator, tho....which is easier than yankin the engine out.... :mrgreen:

Yanking the engine is easier!! :whip: :yes:

 

[dan filipi]

It depends, a full dress 1100 with lots of chrome goodies and floorboards may be easier pulling the swinarm.
To me this is a good opportunity to check the swinarm bearings and lube the splines.
Could do it when replacing rear tire to minimize headaches.

 

[brianinpa]

mcgovern61 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:54 am[/url]":22nuhnvp]

AApple » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:06 am[/url]":22nuhnvp]

KYWinger » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:58 am[/url]":22nuhnvp]
On an 1100, do I have to yank the motor to install the c5?

From what I unnerstand, the simple answer is "No". You will need to remove the swing arm to gain access to the pulse generator, tho....which is easier than yankin the engine out.... :mrgreen:

Yanking the engine is easier!! :whip: :yes:

Either way you have to remove the circlip :head bang: so once that is out, what's the difference.

I do like the idea of pulling the swing arm just to be able to look at things and see how they are doing if it hasn't been done before.

 

[slabghost]

I got to my ignition on my 80 without removing the swing arm. You do have to take it out 1 piece at a time though.

 

[dan filipi]

slabghost » Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:27 am[/url]":1k6urqad]
I got to my ignition on my 80 without removing the swing arm. You do have to take it out 1 piece at a time though.

It does look like the install is pretty straight forward so maybe can be done with removing the swingarm.
The c5 as we've seen it goes into the same housing and I think there's no reason to remove the vacuum advance diaphragm.

 

[C5Performance]

I've never pulled an ignition from a completely assembled bike. We did not pull the engine to fit the prototype. The swingarm was removed, as was the fuel tank (to get sealed). We are also inspecting and lubricating parts before re-installing. Think about it, most bikes haven't been greased in that area for over 30 years.

I have been told each method is best, so i'm not going to be much help recommending which is easiest. You mentioned installing 1000 cams as one option...if you plan future tuning beyond the four standard ignition curves it would be best to install the 1000 kit.

We have only sold 2 or 3 motorcycle kits to people who actually think the four standard curves are not going to be enough. For the average rider we don't see this being a good enough reason to swap cams. For some of us (like me) i'd do a cam swap because i love high performance, and want the most power i can get for a reasonable price. For me, i'd be installing cams anyway and it is much easier to install the 1000 kit than pulling the swingarm out.

This decision comes down to personal preference and your own mechanical abilities.

 

[KYWinger]

Thanks, Paul. Good to know.

Joe or Dan: What, exactly, need to do if I wanted to put 1000 cams in my bike? Will they fit in the 1100 heads? Not sure I'd be wanting to go to the time/expense of swapping heads. Well, maybe I would if there were a noticeable seat-of-the-pants improvement in performance....

 

[joedrum]

well said ...as the angry dresser is setup now 1100 interstate with early cams now running on 1100 iggy ...I could put the c5 in hooch right in ...actulally the c5 in hooche is attached to 1100 heads ...the custom 1000 housing fits the 1100 head in same fashion as 1000 heads ...with no differences at all ...im kinda curious how the c5 would do in angry as I have lots of seat time in this bike .....if one wants big performance from there 1100 ...it is a great mod to get it all it has ...the actual early cam mod isn't that hard in 1100s as I both of mine without taking off heads or doing anything to motor ....I bet the c5 will boost angry hugely ...just like the cams did ....

but I also see that the c5 is in a great spot in the rear of motor also ... as the elements thnigs are working over time to get at the c5 in such a prtedted place ....only one moving part ...don't think anyone ever got to go there again ... and the 1100s will get huge boost in torque as would any other set up ...yes it might be harrd to put in ...but I bet someone comes up with something that makes it much better ...going through rear checking stuff out aint bad thing to begin with as paul said might be first time or very few in thirty yesrs plus ....

 

[dan filipi]

KYWinger » Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:12 pm[/url]":ldjytmpm]
Thanks, Paul. Good to know.

Joe or Dan: What, exactly, need to do if I wanted to put 1000 cams in my bike? Will they fit in the 1100 heads? Not sure I'd be wanting to go to the time/expense of swapping heads. Well, maybe I would if there were a noticeable seat-of-the-pants improvement in performance....

Cams go straight in, no other mods need to be done EXCEPT that there is a slight difference in the machining at the left head of the 1100 head where the 1000 ignition base housing sits. I can't say personally if this difference affects mounting of the C5 housing in any way but I gather from Joe it does not.

 

[joedrum]

correct dan it makes no difference in c5 mounting in anyway ...the hotter 1000 early cams 75-77 do get closer to the piston than stock but it dose not hit in anytime I have ran them as in a lot ... I seen no problem ever from this cam mod on 1100s and angry has many miles on it ....2yrs plus im thinking since done

 

[wilcoy02]

So does anyone know exactly what has to come off the bike to put this thing on? I have seen no directions or anything saying where all things must end up to work.

How many have ordered this? I did --so will hope I can get it put on. When I put the 80 engine in the 83 frame I did grease and clean all these areas--do not want to do it again.

 

[dan filipi]

I just put a deposit down on the 1100 kit.

VERY anxious to get this installed!

I'm going to do a full video and pictures with installation steps on my 83 1100 Interstate.
Hopefully that will answer many of the questions.

Trying to keep this install as simple as possible, I'm going to first go at it leaving the swingarm in place to see if that's even possible with big hands then work my way in.
If in fact the swingarm does need to come off then I'll document that also.

The top animation is what I'm after :mrgreen:

 

[C5Performance]

Yesterday we installed an ignition on a GL1000 that the owner thought was not running right on #4. After we installed the C5, it fired right up with no choke and idled at 500 rpm like they always do. It didn't sound perfect, so we checked exhaust header temps...sure enough, the #4 cylinder runs about 80 degrees low. The carbs must have issues, but it was still amazing that it starts and idles flawlessly...even with only three cylinders running correct.

It was a great lesson to remember. If your carbs are messed up, no ignition in the world is going to fix them. The fact that this bike now runs better on three cylinders than many bikes run on all four just shows how poor the stock ignition really is. I believe a combination of clean carbs and a strong electrical system really makes these older Wings purr.

 

[joedrum]

yes