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These "watch the spark" videos are so unscientific, but i did make a bowl of popcorn while viewing them.

I visited my friend today and fired up his GL1100 with the first kit installed. It was 85 degrees outside. The bike had been sitting for a day without starting. I used NO choke and no throttle to see if the bike would start.

Sorry the video is narrow. I took it with my phone and Youtube didn't like that, but i never get tired of starting a vehicle that starts in ONE second every time. If i knew i'd be in the reflection i'd have put on my new C5 shirt :)

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfdvBIepFwg[/video]
 
[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=95589#p95589:1428wmye said:
C5Performance » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:33 pm[/url]":1428wmye]
These "watch the spark" videos are so unscientific, but i did make a bowl of popcorn while viewing them.

But they are fun to watch! :popcorn: :hihihi: :smilie_happy:
 
1. The idle speed increased from before install without touching anything.
This is mostly due to the Multi-Spark, if you burn (expand) more fuel your efficiency increases and in an unloaded condition this is seen as a raise in RPM

2. I can hold various RPM's above idle steady whereas before rpm would wander up and down and at times drop to idle in a very unstable way. Holding a steady rpm with the throttle was nearly impossible.
This is due to the stability (precision) of the spark placement and the above.

3. When accelerating you can very much feel that it's firing on all 4.
You will always see a greatly improved acceleration with the Ignition due to all aspects it's design, stability (precision) placement of the spark and it's ability to know the engines exact RPM during acceleration.

The exhaust sounds different
You will notice a much crisper sharp tones from the cylinders as you are expanding more fuel and exhausting it much more effectively. If you expand more fuel during the power stroke of the engine the cylinder will run much cooler, the expanded fuel presses down on the piston more and you get torque. If you don't burn (expand) all the fuel you can by 40° ATDC you have wasted it, going out the exhaust still hot and burning. i. e. To retarded a timing turns you pipes blue. Once the piston passes approximately 40° ATDC the piston speed has exceeded the speed of the expanding gases and no longer pushes the piston downward.

How it helps the exhaust:
The exhaust valve opens a approximately 30° before BTDC, the expanded and still expanding exhaust gases actually push out the now open exhaust valve and you will expel as much as 50% of the exhaust in what is still classified as the power stroke. The more gas you expand the more you will exhaust in the portion of the engine cycle and relieve a great amount of engine power loss on the true exhaust cycle.

The sad thing is no one has asked questions as to how the Ignition really works and why, how such things as load (wind shear, side cars, gearing, weight, grade), octane, acceleration and many other things effect timing or how timing effects them. (you think going from 4th gear to 5th gear at 70 mph and accelerating might be a load?) How Multi-Spark really works and its effect on quench, squish or standoff and why it is beneficial to reduce lean and rich misfires. Why is ignition stability important, its just a spark. Why is the coil and wires such an intricate part of the ignition system? How you can utilize the 4 timing maps (curves) that come with the ignition and why they are there. What is a VOES or Map Sensor and how can it be used? Can I change the curves on the fly?

Comment on load: Tell ya what I live on the farm and have a cow catcher and the front of you truck, you stand on it with a 4X8 sheet of plywood and I will pull it up to 100 and see when you look like a bug on my windshield. Very similar to what you have with a GW.

The thing I have noticed it have no matter what the engines problems it always ran better with the ignition. Once you find out how well it can really run you may want to clean that carb or fix that vacuum leak.
 
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5gvPorEx8w[/video]


This video is a Triumph with Mikuni carbs and no mufflers. We are just testing various capacitor sizes and the 9v battery to see if the ignition can be operated with a minimum of power until the engine is running and producing power on its own. We had success and now will build a self contained starting kit for kick start cycles.
 
Nice.

Good to see your actively expanding into other makes developing to meet the needs.

I can see now with that bike what we were talking about today on the phone of guys not wanting even a 9 volt battery to be visible, let alone any wiring.
 
The video was not good at all, but I was just documenting what happened for our company records. As you can see, these bikes are just a frame with engine. The owners want no visible wiring anywhere, and run just a tail light and headlight. It opens up a new market for us. Not everyone wants a C5 ignition but almost every chopper/bobber guy wants NO battery.
 
[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=102774#p102774:ekrtzlps said:
mcgovern61 » Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:43 am[/url]":ekrtzlps]
I don't know Paul, kinda sounds like an old semi-diesel:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nbJsvfyR4Y[/video] :smilie_happy:
Boy that would hurt if you stood too close :hihihi:
 
I agree. We grew up on a farm and the "hit and miss" engines are so wonderful. We have a running display of them near our house.
This one is similar to what we get to see. About :50 and 2:30 into the video it really gets cool to watch. I wonder if a C5 would fit that beast? LOL

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_0xifuTqVA[/video]
 
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Not a video, but we just finished the Oldsmobile kit. We are going to install in a friend's 442 Cutlass soon. I will try to post a video when that happens. We have been hammered with snow and insanely cold weather. It has honestly slowed progress of several projects but we continue pushing forward.
 
That Fairbanks video.. reminded me of the blue man group.. I could see them doing that in one of their shows... not running the engine... but mimicking the sounds.... liked the triumph also...
 
[url=https://www.classicgoldwings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=108920#p108920:n3rtuwzy said:
Joep » Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:33 am[/url]":n3rtuwzy]
That Fairbanks video.. reminded me of the blue man group.. I could see them doing that in one of their shows... not running the engine... but mimicking the sounds.... liked the triumph also...

I like that idea. Never seen them in person but the sound is unique. We've been going to tractor and steam shows since I was a kid. Always better when you are standing next to it and you can feel the pulses against your chest.
 
Anyone ride a CB350 twin?

Here is the world's first C5 mini (called the M series).

I figured you guys might need proof I'm not sitting on a beach in Mexico. Always working :)
This is my personal bike and sat for 3 years. I've got a nagging RH carb issue but it started on the first kick.
We are using the first two kits for the Milwaukee BUILD program (high school mentoring program involving vintage bike builds)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfylDvOf50s
 

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