SCHOOL - 1957 vs. 2010

[joedrum]

no paddy it was a good post ...and ithink most who responed feel better for it ....thats one of the things this forum dose well....idont think anybody upset ...this is a good outlet for some deep cutting events in peopkles life .....

the fact is when a system tries to legistate equality it always creates inequality between gov and people ....the fact that gov holds all the hammers of punishment this becomes the worst case senairio inequality .....just like it wasnt a regular citizen who tried to stop the black students it was gov they had the hammers of ignorance......

i grew up in the south during the last of segration and it was gov that was doing all the abusing arresting and money fines ....it was the local cops that always made an issue of us kids playing together black and white and wanting to know who our parents were so to harass them about letting there kids play with the black kids.....us kids were tight and knew that these people were a------s

we all laugh till we cried watching these dumb cops eat at the restrant where the black people couldnt eat but they could work there .....at five yrs old i was smarter than that .....

civil rights drove a wedge between the regular black and white people that still exist today just as they have done between man and woman and kids and parents

 

[scdmarx]

In the future I promise to be more considerate before posting something I find amusing. Sincerely, Patrick Donaldson :swoon:

No problem here. I experienced a warm hearted humor from reading your original post. Even though I've seen it before.

I'm glad to hear that you have not had to spank your kids. That's great!

What works for you at your house may or may not work for everyone else at their house. Every household is different and unique. What I find to work at my house could end up with devastating effects at your house. Same both ways. Same with kids. They are different and unique personallities. Spanking one kid might be the means to the desired result, while spanking another kid could be very destructive. And each incident with a given kid needs to be evaluated seprately. I don't believe spanking to be a blanket -one size fits all- discipline. But I do believe age appropreate spanking when properly administered can be a valuable parenting tool. I personally don't spank my kids out of anger. I think that's easier for me because it breaks my heart to spank my kids. That and I don't want my kids to be afraid of me, or have to live in fear. Spanking is the last tool that I reach for, only when I feel I've exhausted everything else I see within reason. And I don't spank over accidents, spilled milk, or dumb mistakes. It depends on the individual kid, the individual situation, the seriousness of the situation at hand, and usually will involve blatant, stubborn, decisive and premeditated dissobedience. And there are different challenges at different ages. My 18 year old daughter must be disceplined as an adult. Spanking is hardly appropriate for a young lady preparing to take on the world. And I also use our dealings with our daughter to give our 15year old son some insight as to what a girlfriends parents are going to be looking for in him in the future.

When I was in school the gym coach and the woodshop teacher had paddles. Depending on the severety of the crime, you might get 1 swat, 2 swats, or 3 swats. The teachers without paddles would send you to the principals office, where you would recieve your swats from the most intimidating paddle in the whole school. Most of us viewed that as an effective deterent. But there were one or two who acted like it was nothing. I am glad to hear they don't do that anymore, as I feel that resposibility is mine, not theirs. But we home school now and I am the principal and my wife is the administrator. But this is my house and your house is your house. I understand the way you do things at your house work for you and yours, and I respect that. My problem is when I'm threatened with home invasion. You ain't the one who did that. I enjoy and look forward to your humor here in these forums and the emails you send me. I think they are funny.

 

[dan filipi]

It's all cool Patrick.
Post what you feel is OK but I do want everyone to know that it is my intention to NEVER suppress freedom of speech here.

There have been a few political posts that the Original Posters later decided to remove on their own but as long as the posts are clean and not slanderous they will remain active topics.

One of the reasons I started this forum was because on another board some of my posts were edited for content or deleted for ridiculous reasons. I promised myself I would not do that here.
Post away, I'd hate to be put in the same class as these suppressive bureaucratic fat cats we've been talking about in this thread.

 

[Tomahawk]

It's all cool Patrick.
Post what you feel is OK but I do want everyone to know that it is my intention to NEVER suppress freedom of speech here.

There have been a few political posts that the Original Posters later decided to remove on their own but as long as the posts are clean and not slanderous they will remain active topics.

One of the reasons I started this forum was because on another board some of my posts were edited for content or deleted for ridiculous reasons. I promised myself I would not do that here.
Post away, I'd hate to be put in the same class as these suppressive bureaucratic fat cats we've been talking about in this thread.

That is so cool Dan. Bravo

 

[scdmarx]

One of the reasons I started this forum was because on another board some of my posts were edited for content or deleted for ridiculous reasons.

That's the reason I asked to have my account deleated at another forum. A lot of very selecteive censorship seemed to be going on there. I was get'n scared to talk.

I like it much better here. I really don't see that type of problem escalateing to those extremes here. I think this place just attracts a totally differnt crowd. I feel pretty comfortable here. Y'all people are folk! arty:

 

[Andyb]

Is it really illegal to spank your children in your state? It is not in mine. School systems might be banned from corporal punishment, but I have not heard of a state that has made it illegal for a parent to spank a child. I never said a parent should not spank their child. My point was that the original post had a very simplistic view of the effectiveness of spanking. As though a child only ever needed to be spanked once and he would never misbehave in school again. That is hogwash.

Everyone in the court system told me it is illegal while I was going through trial. Fact is, when I researched it, I found the written law and it is not illeagal, but it is worded in such a way that it is so vague it can be manipulated so easily by any social worker needing to build a case to justify their paycheck. And when that happens... guess who looks like the bad guy. Cost me a lot of money and frustration and nobody wanted to touch this case from my side of the fence. And once it got rolling it was like a runaway train. There was no stopping the nightmare. The threat was that my 3 kids would be placed in foster homes. Took us a year and a half to get through it, but it still ain't over yet. Our family structure has never been the same since. It all started 3 months after a spanking, out on the playground at school. My kid says to another kid, "no, I can't do that because my dad will spank me". That other kid told the teacher, the teacher called the cops, a cop went to my job and pulled me from my work. From there the runaway train took over. I think my biggest crime was admitting truthfully that I will spank my kids when I decide it's neccessary. My kids were never once through this entire ordeal examined by a medical doctor for marks or bruises, or any signs of abuse. My kids are husky, healthy, active, and have regular checkups. They all played soccer when they wanted to, they have hobbies and chores, rewards and cosequences. Almost every time my kids leave the house I hear a complement about how well mannored they are. Other people say they feel good about their kids being at our house. I've had 2 fathers tell me they see how my daughter dresses and acts, and they are glad their daughters are hanging out with my daughter. She's welcome at their house any time, no problem. People in our circle couldn't believe, of all people, WE were going through this child abuse merry-go-round. One thing is for sure, my kids will never see the inside of a public school again as long as I'm alive. 2 of my kids were held back a year because the "professional educators" determined they have learning disabilities. My daughter, a graduated home schooler, is now attending college in persuit of a career in dentistry. She wants to be a dentist - not an assistant.

Sorry for the rant. This subject makes my trigger finger itchy. I usually walk away from this conversation, but once in a blue moon I catch myself in the middle of it and...
My family was attacked and this is a very defensive button for me. I'm ok now. Wanna bite of my sammich?

Also, I did not accuse you or anyone else of racism. If you took it that way, I apologize. My point there was to note that some things, such as equality, have improved since 1957.

Sorry, I musta read that the wrong way. I do agree that there have been improvements.

Good Lord! That is crazy! I had no idea. I am very sorry for your trouble. And, I hate to think of all the children in truly abusive homes who were not being protected because they were wasting time persecuting/prosecuting you.

 

[paddy.shadow]

Wow! again! I really and truly feel that youse (a schuylkill co. term) are my brothers...MY Brothers! Thankyou....No ****! Thanks.

 

[slabghost]

Does anyone know of a good politically incorrect, anything goes rant forum? I'm not interested in vulgarity just would like to discuss life issues. Especially family life and politics.

 

[dan filipi]

Does anyone know of a good politically incorrect, anything goes rant forum? I'm not interested in vulgarity just would like to discuss life issues. Especially family life and politics.

That would make an interesting forum!

 

[slabghost]

Any possibility it could be a subsection here? There are a lot of great folks here that seem quite able to discuss sensitive issues with calm reasoning.

 

[dan filipi]

Hmm, don't know about that.
We allow minors to view the forums so something like that could get us in trouble.

 

[dan filipi]

Well I suppose we could make a password protected forum, access by invitation only..........hmmm........

 

[slabghost]

I'd go for that. Maybe a poll is in order to see if others might have interest? :salute:

 

[scdmarx]

This is scarry. But curious. Maybe start a temporary forum and see how it goes?
On a message board, conversations minus the body language, tone of voice, etc. that are normally used in face to face communication can easily be taken the wrong way. I'd hate to see something turn into an unruly pissing contest with a lot of name calling and hurt feelings when opposing opinions collide. Do you think we are all above that? I'm impressed with the conduct I've seen here so far. But I'm not much of a shrink and I'm glad this is not my decision to make.

 

[thewhiterhino]

Another thing to keep in mind about public posts is the Government has folks that harvest information that about people and if they seem radical they add them to a domestic terrorist watch list. I really don't want to get under that kind of scrutiny. :cheeky: :swoon:

 

[joedrum]

yeah ross i know what you mean ....freedom of speech i think they call it ....wont be long and the diffinition of freedom will be sensorship and punishment ...i have no fear of such people at all :nea: :mrgreen:

 

[AApple]

:headscratch:
Wow...this thread has taken a major left/right turn from the original post, which was meant, I'm sure, as just a humorous comparison of "then and now". I doubt it was ever intended to create such a massive discussion on corporal punishment, big brother, or the Gov'ment. Just a little light-hearted humor... :yes:

It's just strange(to me, anyway) that it has developed into a discussion on censorship, and government intrusion on our freedoms. I'm not one to deny anyone the right to voice their opinions on anything...I have the right to agree/disagree if I so choose, or if I read something on a forum board here or elsewhere that I don't agree with, I have the right to move on to something a little less troublesome. There's plenty of other forum topics here... :good: :mrgreen:

In '57, this conversation would be taking place in a coffee shop somewhere, and everyone would leave from there just as good of friends as they were when they got there. :salute:

 

[mcgovern61]

In '57, this conversation would be taking place in a coffee shop somewhere, and everyone would leave from there just as good of friends as they were when they got there. :salute:

That is true! At the same, isn't it incredible that this conversation (and discussion) is taking place by so many of us on this Forum at the same time all across the country!

 

[slabghost]

In '57, this conversation would be taking place in a coffee shop somewhere, and everyone would leave from there just as good of friends as they were when they got there. :salute:

That is true! At the same, isn't it incredible that this conversation (and discussion) is taking place by so many of us on this Forum at the same time all across the country!

And no one seems to be offended? I didn't mean to open a can of worms. I think folks here have good judgement in many things including our wonderful wings. I could just put an offer in my sig line to PM me if you want to discuss other matters. I'd give individuals my email or instant messenger details. Maybe it could work maybe it's not such a good idea.

 

[joedrum]

i dont think we need to do anything different ......free speech is all about being tough enough for the answer weather it offends you or not .....to give an answer that dosent offend anyone is censorship period and not the answer to the question ......we as mature adults need to express our feeling on things as we have seen the fifties life and need to past this on to our children and anybody else who wasnt there .....

i will never shut my mouth our feel that there has to be a specal place to run it

id say id say most here have a good ideal what kind of person i am ....i feel the same way about others here....

im sure all of us have enough scar tissue of life not to be offended by someone veiw ...

freedom is free and it starts with the person themselves by not taking freedom from themselfs by choice...