No surprise on the 84's ability to be way past what you should be doing, if you wind 2nd tight you've have went fast enough for a speeding ticket anywhere around this part of the country. :roll: Then you have 3rd & 4th & fifth, as Joe well knows now with the 1200 block & trans, with his head combination, & carb upgrade has to be a real kick in the ass, & top end on these, is astounding. :yahoo: The math numbers say over 160, & with enough fuel, & room, not hard for me to believe, as i walked past a Valkyrie at about 130 & still climbing great, a few years ago. :hihihi: He had very LOUD exhaust, i was getting on the freeway, & didn't want to hear the NOISE, so just had to get in front of him. :whistling: The way the 84 blew past him had to be a surprise, as he got off about 3 miles down the road at the first exit. :headscratch: