Thanks Chas, I have weighed everything I took OFF the bike , and Everything I have put ON.... and there is only a little difference . course I still have to build the Fenders and stuff , but I'm making it out of thin metal , wire welded together like I did my little wagon . i forget the numbers now , cause it has been a few months ago ... but a rear wheel and tire off a Goldwing is pretty heavy , it was within just a few lbs. of the rear end weight , hard to believe but it's true . course I now will have 2 tires and wheels ... BUT they are a LOT lighter than a Goldwing tire and wheel . about the only thing I'll be using of the old Goldwing stuff is the Top Trunk . I won't even be using the stock Exhaust system. I got a friend witha set all Bent up , from a wreck I guess....... I'm only gonna use the Header part back where the Mufflers are Welded on up to the Heads. NOW that the Frame is pretty much finished , comes the Part I LOVE BEST.... the building of the fenders and the Style of the whole thing really. :music: Rock On.