hooch c5 iggy test at meet and greet aug..3-4

[slabghost]

It was I who rushed the ride report. As for the carbs last run I believe he was running the 1200 rack off my dresser. This the first I've heard of plug tip issues. The 77 has had ignition issues from day one. We tried to get the 1000 engine running right to begin with and then Joe went with the 1200 mod motor. It seems we spent way more time on electrical issues on this bike than on the mechanical mods.I think this a huge step forward and the c5 has been just the ticket to get it reliable. Now the issues of fuel delivery can be sorted out separately. I doubt mother Honda ever dreamed this much flow would be asked of the stock fuel pumps.

 

[slabghost]

Hooch has always run the mechanical fuel pump.

 

[slabghost]

Fetacheese » Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:49 pm[/url]":23jzvvlf]

slabghost » Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:43 am[/url]":23jzvvlf]
Hooch has always run the mechanical fuel pump.

Yes, I realize that. What I'm trying to find out is which mechanical fuel pump,1000,1100,1200 and if there is any delivered fuel volume difference between the three. I think we need to know that before we can attribute the surging to starvation of fuel. We also have to know at what R's the surging began,what? 8,000,8,500-9,000? or was it at 6,000 ?.
One more thing. If the surging didn't occur at the same R's when running the Dyna,the surging will not occur due to fuel starvation at the same R's when running the c5 . Reason for that is the engine requires the same volume of gas to run at those R speeds and I do not believe it cares one way or the other which iggy supplies the zap.
Not trying to be difficult ,but some difficult and impartial info is needed if we are to logically and honestly engage in impartial evaluation the c5's and or the Dyna's worth.

I'm not certain but I believe the pump for 1000 and 1100 is the same. 1200's all ran electric pumps. I don't know if the pump was originally off 1100 or 1000 motor.I'm sure Joe will answer later tonight. As for the rpm or speed this occurs. I'm pretty sure the tach isn't working yet. Not sure if the speedometer works either. This bike is still very much a work in progress. I'm sure the resulting change from dyna to c5 would be much more apparent and measurable if it were installed on a bike that was already a final configuration rider. But where's the fun in that?
Joe probably has some better answers here I'm not sure. Just commenting on what I know of the build so far.

 

[joedrum]

today I went ahead and put ngk ends on ...and dialed the carbs in so now its surppression wires resistor ngk ends ...and resistor ngk plugs ....the carbs were way out of wack ...all mix screws reacted bigtime on there carbs ...took it for 5 mile run again ...it ran great again down low and into mid zone ...wow how this bike runs ....to me so far ....it seems to run run just like when someone sets the timing to far advanced and looses the top end ...I personally done this myself many times in the past back in the day ....so now im going to read and tweak some more ...its so close it seems ...im starting to think its not a carb issue anymore but nothing off the table .....ok next move is narrow the gap on the spark plugs ...as this will help the multi fire capability of the c5 iggy and states exactly that if to far gap it cause high rpm problems ...sounds great just what I need

 

[C5Performance]

Joe,

Here are a few things to check...

1)are the blue and brown leads coming from the ignition firmly grounded to chassis or engine?
2)are the sparkplug wire boots "snapped" onto the coil. On the QT coil you have, you should hear the caps actually snap onto the ends. If not sure, pull them off and try again, they might be loose.
3)#1 cyl was at TDC exactly, when you aligned the optical disc? If not, all 4 cylinders will be timed incorrectly
4)spark plug gap per the owners manual should be .028-.032" to start. Bigger gaps often cause high rpm misfires.

Call if you need help, you've got my cell number.

 

[dan filipi]

Joe and I talked on the phone.

His description of how it "surges" at higher rpm sounds exactly like a rev limiter.

Anyway, he going back through all the steps, gapping plugs etc and will post how he's making out.

 

[C5Performance]

I spoke to Joe via phone. Due to the gearing in his bike, and the hard acceleration he was attempting, it is possible he was hitting the rev limiter. There is no tach on his bike so he cant verify what rpm it "hits the wall" but in higher gears it wasn't happening.

This was really a first/second gear experience when there is virtually no load on Joe's engine. For those of you undecided about coming to Joe's Wing party next weekend, i would encourage you to make the journey. I'd love to meet as many forum members as possible and we'll be teaching Joe how to change settings on his ignition via laptop (God help us right?) so it could get interesting! Anyone have a fire extinguisher?

Now that we have our first GL1100 running, i am going to try having one at Joe's place to show everyone.
We also fired up the first GL1500 engine with a C5 last week (i know...too new for most of you) and it was exciting to see it run.

 

[ekvh]

What is the rev limiter set point for the gl 1000? 1100?

 

[joedrum]

glad your here eric

 

[ekvh]

Really wish I could make it this weekend.

 

[joedrum]

let me start off be saying ...ive been being fooled I think ...hooch is running great ..on last ride 60mph roll on power snap my helmet back and I got me off line like now and had to back off ...rev limit is 8500 eric

 

[joedrum]

you have tack yet eric

 

[joedrum]

anyway the bike runs great ...at the meet were going to hook up lap top and really show what this iggy is capable of and ithink ive got just right for paul to work with it ...so im very pleased to say the least

i must add this bike has as much in common with our regular oldwings as a porche and vw bug

after my experience with the power it has today one would have to be crazy to think anything but super good results in the entire bike ...only thing i can say is ...i might have to gear up to 1100 final drive from the 1000 to get maybe better gearing so idont have to shift so fast

 

[dan filipi]

We need a tach on hooch Joe.

 

[joedrum]

yes im going to put one on it that works tomorrow

 

[PowerArc]

Joe, you will need a 1 pulse per crank revolution tachometer. This is the normal setting of the ignitions as they are wasted spark. Paul can change it when you get together should you want or get a 2 or 4 pulse per revolution tachometer. These are normally distributor based tachometers.

 

[joedrum]

it was a stock tach I put on ...no problem there ....I went through the whole procedure today just checking every thing ...I think the bike is ready for the meet

 

[Ansimp]

Woo Hoo :good:

 

[AApple]

PowerArc » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:10 pm[/url]":317ahub4]
Joe, you will need a 1 pulse per crank revolution tachometer. This is the normal setting of the ignitions as they are wasted spark. Paul can change it when you get together should you want or get a 2 or 4 pulse per revolution tachometer. These are normally distributor based tachometers.

:headscratch: :shock: :headscratch:
Huh? Ain't the tach cable driven? You lost me there.... :beg:

 

[joedrum]

yes joel he was advising me if I was putting on the electronic tack...things are in good shape im done fiddling with it now ...everything is set up good for meet now ...