hooch c5 iggy test at meet and greet aug..3-4

[Steve83]

Great work, Joe! Wish I could be there...

 

[AApple]

So..does this conversion REQUIRE an electronic tach, or is it just an option? I thought the iggy would get it's RPM signal from the optical disc...? :headscratch:

 

[dan filipi]

AApple » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:13 am[/url]":2y6bga6f]
So..does this conversion REQUIRE an electronic tach, or is it just an option? I thought the iggy would get it's RPM signal from the optical disc...? :headscratch:

No electronic tach required but it is a plug and play option.
It's one of the really cool things I like about this ignition.

 

[Omega Man]

Guys please get lots of high quality video for the rest of us. I for one want to see as much of you all and hooch as possible.

 

[dan filipi]

You betchya Randy!

I'm taking my new HD camera and good still camera and Piper has a tripod we'll bring along.

This will be an interesting meet for sure!

 

[joedrum]

well time fast appoarching ....sure is nice to have a testing of a great modern iggy for are oldwings on the meet activities ....I want to thank the powerarc ..gary and paul and everyone involved im sure im missing people to list as we all know there are many involved here ....personally for me I thinking its the best attempt to bring life into oldwings that mother Honda discontinued parts and service to ....this forum is our best to replace Honda policy to not work on there bikes ...but the hurdles are huge in the refusal of parts to fix them ....I thinking this one meet and greet will bring oldwings on par with new bikes and get performace that oldwings never had before ...

this is all just starting out and im sure there may be some bumps in the road but I enjoy being around people who don't settle for what been dictated by the manipulation of big players ...that try to kill off there own products by cutting to supply line ...

sould be great fun and time ....thanks to everyone coming to my house for the meet

 

[Steve83]

Lookin' forward to plenty of posts with lots of info and pics for those of us who can't make it. Good of you to do this, Joe!

 

[C5Performance]

I wanted to share the timing curve for Hooch. The stock curve has a max advance of 39 degrees with an 8,500 rpm rev limit. As you can see, we made a few changes.

To start the changes, we created a few curves that pushed the envelope on timing, and had Joe go for a test ride using an established route near his house. Slabghost suggested a 4 degree jump so that's what we created. After playing around, Joe preferred the stock curve at low rpm (climbing his steep driveway at 1500 rpm) but wanted to keep the more aggressive upper curve because Hooch loved the 43 degree advance.

The final result is just 1 degree more advance than stock during the 2,000-3,500 rpm climb, with a 43 degree advance at the top. This really shows the ease of tuning for any bike, especially Hooch, which is heavily modified.

We didn't have a dyno or air/fuel mixture tester but Joe felt this was the best "all around" curve and Hooch ran awesome with this curve. He mentioned more than once wanting to go GL1500 hunting now for pink slips :music:

The red arrow shows rev limit was increased to 10,000 and the orange arrow shows the area of greatest timing change over the stock curve.

 

[Steve83]

Nice! Love the ability to experiment with different curves! Looking forward to hearing lots more, and playing with one myself one of these days.

 

[joedrum]

ok I am starting to get clear head ....hard facts as I see them now ....the four cylinder oldwing is a perfect motor in balance ...the stock ignition points and all after market hall effect ignitions are no where near capable of the performance of the motor ...there accuracy in timing and short comings just don't come close to what a oldwing motor needs ....most because of the 4 cylinder boxer motor is a perfect 180 degree firing motor ....and if the ignition system is not perfect like the motor is ...then backfires and spitting through carbs and laboring at low rpm is worst in the perfect motor...at low rpm and very little gas being used the possibility of backfire and spit back is huge as the to opposing pistons are brought closer together by the throttle position and low rpm ...making it seem as though there is no low end torque ....ok ...

ok the c5 impact on this ...on the hooch bike and let me say hooch aint that different than any stock oldwing ....all of hooches parts are mother Honda there just different yrs parts put together ...ok the c5 totally so far has really surprised me ...this 1200 now has as much low end torqe as a 1500 or 1800 ...I am going up hills the steepest around me in 5th gear and as low as 1500 rpm and pull the hills with no pinging knocking or spitting of any kind and cam actually accelerate rather easy ...just simply amazing ....at low rpm its like a tractor ...in all the yrs ive messed with oldwings ive never got one to run like this ...as for hooch these supposed high rpm 371 early cams are delivering low end torque equal to any bike ive ever ridden ....in fact me and dan both tried to get the bike to sputter and spit and knock on the hills around me and couldn't do it ....the c5 iggy is as good as the perfect motor is and completely eliminated low end problems ...as for reference hooches 5th gear is about like a 1000 fifth gear at about 4200rpm at 70mph ...hooches torque band starts at idle and ends when you let off throttle .....

joedrum opinion so far as I don't have to many hrs in the saddle to talk durability is ...this is the best product ever offered to oldwings by any company ever or anyone one period ...its fixes the flaws of mother Honda engineering almost completely .....the only time we were able to get spit back out of the system was at idle and no loads at start up cold with choke had to be used for brief seconds befor it settled down and idled ...ive had the idle as low as 600 and it just runs along ...as soon as load is added like taking off it intant tractor pull ....im going to play with the curves soon and will report ...the video of it running will show a lot of tractor pulling running of the hills around me I hope the video shows the grade from its position ....morning everyone sheesh this took awhile

 

[KYWinger]

good update, Joe!
So far, everything seems quite impressive, that's for sure! Especially the improvement in low end performance - that really interests me.

I'd not EVER planned on spending that much $$$ on an ignition system, but I'm beginning to have a change of heart.

Keep the updates coming - we are all interested :clapping:

 

[Ansimp]

Nice when a product tests as hoped :good:

 

[dan filipi]

Well I'll tell you I'm VERY impressed by the low end torque and pull, absolutely firing every time the pistons come up to boom!
There is what seems to be NO lugging whatsoever.
Ya know that growl below 3,000 rpm?
None of that.
Yes I tried many times to get it to stumble, it just ain't happening.
I had high hopes for the way Joe has been describing it but nothing like this.
I just didn't think it was possible to make it run this good.

Lots of praise, yes but however....
I'm skeptical because of the other mods Joe has done.
I want to see performance on a bone stock engine.
I'll know after I get mine installed because I know exactly what my 81 engine can do and how it runs.

 

[KYWinger]

opcorn: opcorn: opcorn:

 

[brianinpa]

C5Performance » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:28 pm[/url]":1uuqqi1g]
... We didn't have a dyno or air/fuel mixture tester but Joe felt this was the best "all around" curve and Hooch ran awesome with this curve. He mentioned more than once wanting to go GL1500 hunting now for pink slips :music: ...

Go get em Joe! :smilie_happy:

Lots of praise, yes but however....
I'm skeptical because of the other mods Joe has done.
I want to see performance on a bone stock engine.
I'll know after I get mine installed because I know exactly what my 81 engine can do and how it runs.

I am thinking the same thing here, but I think I know which way I am leaning when I get my 1000 to the point of needing an ignition.

 

[AApple]

dan filipi » Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:48 am[/url]":28af71el]
I want to see performance on a bone stock engine.
I'll know after I get mine installed because I know exactly what my 81 engine can do and how it runs.

But...but..your '83 is not totally stock, is it? Don't you have some different cams and junk? :cheeky:
:smilie_happy: :mrgreen:
I really like the positive review on this system...seems like it will be the cat's meow for oldwings, stock, or otherwise. I'm a little concerned about setting it up, tho...will you absolutely have to use a laptop to program this thing, or will they work ok right out of the box? I unnerstand fine tuning to get the most out of the complete engine/iggy system, but....that might be a little over my haid. If it will work fine as a plug &play, my interest will go up tremendously. :yes:

 

[C5Performance]

AApple, we modified Joe's bike for several reasons. One being he does not have a stock bike, the other being his home is surrounded by steep hills and it was a perfect opportunity to see how far we could go with timing and not experience detonation.

We give you four curves installed. The most aggressive curve is what your Wing had from Honda. The other three make small steps down in total timing advance, and would be great to use if you have a sidecar, or trailer, or BOTH.

You don't have to have a laptop, or a programmer kit, or make any changes EVER unless you want to play around.

As you know, Joe was very interested (as were a few others) in learning how easy making changes COULD be.

Thank you for bringing up the subject. Discussing all the cool things you can do with our ignition often scares others into thinking it's just "too much" ignition. What i believe is just the opposite. From a person who can barely check oil, to a guy like Joe who mixes cams and heads for fun, the ease of setting the timing when installing it, and the flexibility of future changes makes it the "last ignition you'll ever need".
Don't let these discussions fool you, it's a complex thing wrapped in a simple to install package.

 

[mwbill37841]

opcorn: opcorn: opcorn: opcorn:

 

[AApple]

C5Performance » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:27 pm[/url]":1mn45kl8]
We give you four curves installed. The most aggressive curve is what your Wing had from Honda. The other three make small steps down in total timing advance, and would be great to use if you have a sidecar, or trailer, or BOTH.
You don't have to have a laptop, or a programmer kit, or make any changes EVER unless you want to play around.

:clapping: :good: Kewl!!! I ask a lot of questions just to try to unnerstand...for me, if it don't make sense, I don't want to get wrapped up in it. NOW I think I've got all the basic info I need to determine if this is something I might want....and I'm kinda leaning that direction.... :yes: :thanks:

 

[mcgovern61]

C5Performance » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:27 pm[/url]":307tjrir]
AApple, we modified Joe's bike for several reasons. One being he does not have a stock bike, the other being his home is surrounded by steep hills and it was a perfect opportunity to see how far we could go with timing and not experience detonation.

We give you four curves installed. The most aggressive curve is what your Wing had from Honda. The other three make small steps down in total timing advance, and would be great to use if you have a sidecar, or trailer, or BOTH.

You don't have to have a laptop, or a programmer kit, or make any changes EVER unless you want to play around.

As you know, Joe was very interested (as were a few others) in learning how easy making changes COULD be.

Thank you for bringing up the subject. Discussing all the cool things you can do with our ignition often scares others into thinking it's just "too much" ignition. What i believe is just the opposite. From a person who can barely check oil, to a guy like Joe who mixes cams and heads for fun, the ease of setting the timing when installing it, and the flexibility of future changes makes it the "last ignition you'll ever need".
Don't let these discussions fool you, it's a complex thing wrapped in a simple to install package.

Paul, you hafta show pics of each piece of the system you are selling. I think it would go a long way to showing those that could not make the meet how simple it is! :laptop: :read: